Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board > Thoroughbred Horse Racing Discussion > General Racing Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 10-09-2022, 06:09 PM   #1
Tom
The Voice of Reason!
 
Tom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,871
Letruska

What a dismal race today.
__________________
Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
Tom is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-09-2022, 06:13 PM   #2
the little guy
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 7,333
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom View Post
What a dismal race today.
I hate to say this, but this is why people retire horses.

We want them to stay on the track, but sometimes it backfires.
the little guy is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-09-2022, 06:57 PM   #3
Tom
The Voice of Reason!
 
Tom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
Posts: 112,871
So much for my Bulldog Hanover/ Letruska double!
__________________
Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
Tom is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-09-2022, 07:10 PM   #4
1st time lasix
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,043
A great racehorse. She apparently has lost her desire. Time to breed her I guess.. . (War Front…Into Mischief, ….Frankel,….Medaglia D’Or.). and make millions …. C
1st time lasix is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-09-2022, 07:14 PM   #5
stlseeeek
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 269
you expected better?

she's been bad in past 2 going in, especially at the distance, speed to push her, and you expected her to win?


that exacta was stealing. 3 horses to push lead, and the 2 to pick up the pieces for 2nd.
stlseeeek is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-09-2022, 08:59 PM   #6
azeri98
Registered User
 
azeri98's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,934
She should be done racing. Time to do the right thing. She can't beat the best anymore. Now add Nest into the picture
azeri98 is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-09-2022, 09:53 PM   #7
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,828
Quote:
Originally Posted by the little guy View Post
I hate to say this, but this is why people retire horses.

We want them to stay on the track, but sometimes it backfires.
In her case it really didn't cost them much right as a mare, other than possibly one foal? Or am I missing something?
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-09-2022, 09:59 PM   #8
the little guy
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 7,333
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj View Post
In her case it really didn't cost them much right as a mare, other than possibly one foal? Or am I missing something?
One foal would have been worth more than this year:-) I would also assume she is insured.
the little guy is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-09-2022, 10:30 PM   #9
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,828
Quote:
Originally Posted by the little guy View Post
One foal would have been worth more than this year:-) I would also assume she is insured.
Right, I'm sure they lost out, but with a female it is usually worth the risk.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-10-2022, 03:28 AM   #10
metro
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 444
Distaff is trending to a short field with a forgone conclusion.
metro is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-10-2022, 09:16 AM   #11
GMB@BP
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
Posts: 5,870
Quote:
Originally Posted by metro View Post
Distaff is trending to a short field with a forgone conclusion.
I assume you mean Malathaat?
GMB@BP is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-10-2022, 09:25 AM   #12
classhandicapper
Registered User
 
classhandicapper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 20,613
Horses are athletes. They only have so many races in them before they start feeling the physical and mental effects of all the travel, hard training, and tough races. Horses may vary, but they all accumulate minor injuries and eventually wear down and go off form. Lestruska is worn down.

The same thing happened to Rachel Alexandra.

On the flip side, Zenyatta was handled with much less shipping and without searching for the toughest spots available. Even though she wasn't the same mare at 6 that she was at 4, she should could still be trained up to close to a peak effort at 6 after 20 starts.

The industry may have overshot a bit with all the spacing and shorter campaigns we have now. But horses like Letruska were not unusual years ago. A lot of horses that started early in the year at GP or in CA that had long tough campaigns would wear down and go off form by the end of the year, sometimes even if they were given a short freshener. Since most connections consider the BC races as the long term goal now, they are way more careful to not reach that point too soon.

It's a balancing act between trying to have a great campaign but without squeezing the lemon dry.
__________________
"Unlearning is the highest form of learning"

Last edited by classhandicapper; 10-10-2022 at 09:33 AM.
classhandicapper is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-10-2022, 09:40 AM   #13
classhandicapper
Registered User
 
classhandicapper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 20,613
Quote:
Originally Posted by GMB@BP View Post
I assume you mean Malathaat?
Nest could have something to say about that.
__________________
"Unlearning is the highest form of learning"
classhandicapper is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-10-2022, 11:45 AM   #14
metro
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 444
Quote:
Originally Posted by classhandicapper View Post
Nest could have something to say about that.
Malathaat more battle tested which makes her the one to beat imo. Nest has basically just been running against the clock, but her figures speak for themselves and the pace dynamics would benefit her.

Clairiere obviously the better of the two Asmussen's, just have to question training up to the race. I can't buy into Society's Cotillion.

That leaves Search Results another training up to the race as the only other one to really consider.

Letruska shouldn't run, neither should Secret Oath who just isn't this class.

I doubt Shug would want to go this path with First to Act.

Should any from the West Coast even bother?

Army Wife and Played Hard could seemingly round out the field, the latter benefiting a bit from a pace stand point if Letruska doesn't go.

Still shapes up as a very good race just a short field.
metro is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 10-10-2022, 01:31 PM   #15
classhandicapper
Registered User
 
classhandicapper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Queens, NY
Posts: 20,613
Quote:
Originally Posted by metro View Post
Malathaat more battle tested which makes her the one to beat imo. Nest has basically just been running against the clock, but her figures speak for themselves and the pace dynamics would benefit her.

Clairiere obviously the better of the two Asmussen's, just have to question training up to the race. I can't buy into Society's Cotillion.
I've been a Malathaat fan since the beginning, even when she had some critics early on because her "figures" didn't break out yet. Normally, I prefer the older more seasoned horse/mare over the 3yo. So this would normally be an automatic for me. But to me it looks like Nest is arguably a better 3yo than Malathaat was. I think the gap (if there is any) is not as large as usual and could be closed by BC day. But I agree with your premise. I'm not sure what to do with Clairiere. Everyone jumped on the Clairiere train after she beat Malathaat, but I think those two are very close even if you toss the last race because she acted up a but prior to the race.
__________________
"Unlearning is the highest form of learning"

Last edited by classhandicapper; 10-10-2022 at 01:33 PM.
classhandicapper is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply





Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Advertisement
» Current Polls
Wh deserves to be the favorite? (last 4 figures)
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:02 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2023 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.