More Fox "News" Lies about Obama

[Tread]

In Fox News's never ending campaign to get false information out to the public in order to beat Obama, Dick Morris continued telling fantastic lies about Obama's tax plans with Hannity there to talk him thru it and encourage him.

These guys make me sick. God forbid we have a fair fight with the candidates true positions being debated. These guys are SCUM and it is truly a shame that we do not have broadcasting licenses that can be revoked whenever someone shows such a blatant disregard for the truth. What do you think the odds are that Hannity will give a correction?
From the June 23 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

HANNITY: All right, I'm going to tell you something. You -- this is -- you wrote some phenomenal stuff. I want you to tell everybody, your first chapter, President Obama -- what would he do?


MORRIS: He would double the capital gains tax. That means that you get far less when you sell your home, or your 401(k), or your stock plan. He would double the dividends tax. That means that old ladies who clip coupons from corporate stocks get less money.

He would double the -- he would increase the limit on Social Security taxes, which means instead of paying 12 1/2 percent of the first $100,000, you pay it on everything that you're making.

HANNITY: Wow.

MORRIS: So that gives you --

HANNITY: And you'll never get that money back.

MORRIS: It gives you an effective tax rate of 60 percent, and it means no boss can raise your pay without having to shell out that extra money in taxes.

The true facts are that Obama's tax plan does not raise the capital gains/dividends tax or SS taxes (or any other taxes for that matter) on anyone making under 250k per year, or 97% of the American public. The facts are clearly stated on his website, and have been for some time, so there is absolutely no excuse for this. Or you can hear Obama say it himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu0oj7yAuHg

[DRIVEWAY]

When u raise the capital gains tax are u changing the IRS rules on people making less than $250K??

[bigmack]

Originally Posted by Tread

In Fox News's never ending campaign to get false information out to the public in order to beat Obama

Tough to have much of a point when you reek of bias. Have you been paying much attention to media bias over the years found on virtually every station besides Fox? Let me guess, as your like minded comrades position finds them, your outrage is selective.

Thanks for your thoughts. Take a number and have a seat.

[Tread]

It's EASY to have a point when the facts are so cut and dry. This was a broadcast of an outright lie about Obama that was easily verfiable, as was made up quote they reported on from Obama's brother last week which clearly never appeared in the transcript.

These were not opinion or bias pieces, these were outright lies with no room for opinion or interpretation.

If you can provide 2 similar outright lies from the "media bias" outlets on McCain's positions or background within the last 2 weeks (or month for that matter) I will happily denounce them as well. There is no place for lies in this kind of programming because too many in the American public believe every word these commentators say. And if you shrug off lies and don't denounce them either, you are just as much a part of the problem as the commentators telling the lies.

[Steve 'StatMan']

It isn't a lie, it just won't affect most people. Alas I will also not be affected.

Amazing. I just made it to 60.

[Tread]

It is absolutely a lie to state:

he would increase the limit on Social Security taxes, which means instead of paying 12 1/2 percent of the first $100,000, you pay it on everything that you're making.

100% false. His plan has you paying the exact same thing you are today unless you make over 250k and only then do you start to pay more.

And also grossly misleading how he painted capital gains, "coupon clipping old ladies" will not have their taxes increaed either, nor will 97% of the rest of us.

[bigmack]

Originally Posted by Tread

And if you shrug off lies and don't denounce them either, you are just as much a part of the problem as the commentators telling the lies.

Noble work you're doing pointing out media lies.

Have you heard Hannities radio program? He calls it the "Stop Obama Express". Hardly the words of a journalist.

I'm still recovering from Chris Matthews' leg tingling when BO talks.

I'd get over your outrage. In the grand scheme of things, it just doesn't matter.

[Greyfox]

He's also the Jolly Green Giant

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama vowed yesterday he would break the United States' addiction to "dirty, dwindling and dangerously expensive" oil if elected president -- and one of his first targets might well be Canada's oil sands.
A senior Obama advisor said it is an "open question" whether oil from northern Alberta fits with the Democratic candidate's plan to shift the United States sharply away from consuming carbon-intensive fossil fuels.

"If it turns out that those technologies don't advance … and the only way to produce those resources would be at a significant penalty to climate change, then we don't believe that those resources are going to be part of the long term, are going to play a growing role in the long-term future," said Jason Grumet, an Obama energy advisor.

[Tom]

Obama is an uninformed fool.
He is just a front.
He speaks drivel and has no idea what end is up.

I am sure most world leaders are salivating at the though of this rube getting elected. He will be the great eqaulizer.....by dumbing us down to thier world status.

[Tread]

And what is Britt Hume's excuse? Is he not a news anchor? Rather was run out of town for one false story (rightly so) yet these liars are allowed to stay on the air year after year.

I'm glad you can tell the difference between a commentator and a news anchor, but either person is not entitled to spread lies. Commentators are entitled to their own opinions, not their own made up facts. And the sad reality is that many people DO treat these people as news anchors and treat every word they say as fact. And then use that information when they vote, so I believe it absolutely does make a difference.

[bigmack]

Originally Posted by Tread

And the sad reality is that many people DO treat these people as news anchors and treat every word they say as fact. And then use that information when they vote, so I believe it absolutely does make a difference.

Koolaid Chuggers ain't gonna make/break this clambake. (DelMar merchandise for the person knowing the role of E in Clambake) What little substance either of these two command will have to do. The bad news is that your camp is a tad light on substance. Any objection to that fact and/or claim welcome.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

He's also the Jolly Green Giant

WASHINGTON - Barack Obama vowed yesterday he would break the United States' addiction to "dirty, dwindling and dangerously expensive" oil if elected president -- and one of his first targets might well be Canada's oil sands.
A senior Obama advisor said it is an "open question" whether oil from northern Alberta fits with the Democratic candidate's plan to shift the United States sharply away from consuming carbon-intensive fossil fuels.

"If it turns out that those technologies don't advance … and the only way to produce those resources would be at a significant penalty to climate change, then we don't believe that those resources are going to be part of the long term, are going to play a growing role in the long-term future," said Jason Grumet, an Obama energy advisor.

Of course not. How NoBama will break the U.S.'s "addiction" will be raising the gasoline taxes through the stratsophere. (Wonder, though, if he'll only do that to those who make $250K+ per year?)

Boxcar

[ddog]

gas taxes should be raised through the roof.
oil co taxes should be cut to offset.

we want to encourage the supply discourage the demand.

If we would have done it years ago when it was PLAINLY the correct course then we would be in much better shape now.


You ask any major oil guy , they will tell you nothing scares them more than the thought of oil back at 85bucks a barrel when they are in the middle of a massive spending binge to get the supply going and they based that on 125.00 per barrel.

As to anything Morris has to say, it's just the ravings of a dumbass.

The statement you quoted would have one committed if taken seriously, just the 401K crack should disqualify him from airtime.

But, yeah, take a pill, nothing of substance gets on the MSM anymore.
It really does give one pause when you realize that they STILL have people in this country that tune in and seem to think it is a serious enterprise.

Talk about LCD in spades!

Garbage in garbage out seems to apply.

[JustRalph]

This from the Barack Obama Website:

"Obama believes that the first place to look for ways to strengthen Social Security is the payroll tax system. Currently, the Social Security payroll tax applies to only the first $102,000 a worker makes. Obama supports increasing the maximum amount of earnings covered by Social Security and he will work with Congress and the American people to choose a payroll tax reform package that will keep Social Security solvent for at least the next half century. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/socialsecurity/"

This is what he said while campaigning in Iowa"If we kept the payroll tax rate exactly the same but applied it to all earnings and not just the first $97,000," Obama wrote this week in an Iowa newspaper, "we could eliminate the entire Social Security shortfall."
Obama's idea, which he described on the op-ed page of Friday's Quad City Times as being "one possible option" and not a formal plan, would raise more than $1 trillion over 10 years by subjecting income of more than $97,000 to a 12.4 percent tax. Half of the tax would be paid by employees and half would be paid by employers.

He has said he would put no limit on the Social Security Tax. That means that everyone who makes over 102k gets an immediate increase of 12 percent on every dime they make over 102k? Does it not?

He happily leaves taxes off as an "Issue" on his "Issues" web page......interesting how that works.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Here is how one Lawyers group analyzed the Obama Numbers on Social Security on Lawyers working in New York City



Here are the comments:

The effect is enormous. Betsy’s marginal tax rate goes up from an already ridiculous 42.5% to 51.4%—not including the new 6.2% marginal tax on your employer. Subject to how she structures her withholding, Betsy’s take home pay drops an average of $515 a paycheck—less in the early months of the year, but much more in the later months of the year. Add in the effects on her bonus, and Betsy loses nearly $20,000/year in take-home pay.

I added a third column: how big a pay cut would you have to take to receive the same take-home income? The answer is that Obama’s tax increases have a bigger effect on your income than a law firm cutting New York salaries by $34,000.

Now, money isn’t everything. A BigLaw associate, who is already handsomely paid, might find it worthwhile to take the equivalent of a $34,000/year paycut to have Barack Obama as president instead of John McCain; how else will we guarantee more Obamagirl videos? But given the hue and cry seen on Above the Law and XOXOHTH over salary fluctuations that are a fraction of that size, BigLaw associates may want to fully consider the effect of the candidates’ tax plans on their economic well-being. If you’re willing to reject a law firm over a few thousand dollars, how much money would sway your presidential vote and campaign contributions?

Here is the website: http://www.abovethelaw.com/2008/02/o...or_obama_1.php

If you think a lawyer making what is in the graphic above living in New York City is a rich person, you are out of your mind.

[chickenhead]

Our country is bankrupt at this point, if you take our SS and Medicare obligations to present value.

The guys who were in for 6 years who should have cut spending didn't (to say the least), so now we get the guys who raise the taxes. SPending will of course balloon under them as well.

I'm waiting for the party whose gonna cut spending and raise taxes...they'll get my vote. Me, and like 12 other guys.