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04-05-2021, 08:52 PM
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I kind of doubt it. But there is more to "secular humanism" than evolution.
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Really? What are they teaching about origins, if not evolution?
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04-05-2021, 10:54 PM
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I'll gladly volunteer one hour of my time each day to teach a class on atheism at the local high school. PEW research says that about one kid in 20 does not believe. If I could increase that by one kid per year it would be worth it.  |
Christianity might as well pack it in ! 
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04-05-2021, 10:55 PM
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Really? What are they teaching about origins, if not evolution?
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In your post#6883 you asked "Isn't evolution taught in all schools?" Starting with the Scopes trial in 1925 almost all schools nation wide simply did not address the topic of origins, and biology textbooks also avoided the subject. This practice lasted until the 1960s. The operative word in your question is "all." My guess is that there are a few schools out there who are still avoiding the topic, ergo, not "all" are teaching evolution.
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04-06-2021, 11:50 AM
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In your post#6883 you asked "Isn't evolution taught in all schools?" Starting with the Scopes trial in 1925 almost all schools nation wide simply did not address the topic of origins, and biology textbooks also avoided the subject. This practice lasted until the 1960s. The operative word in your question is "all." My guess is that there are a few schools out there who are still avoiding the topic, ergo, not "all" are teaching evolution.
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But probably most! So...what's your beef?
If a school district doesn't want to teach anything about the origins of the universe, then they should have that right.
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04-06-2021, 01:04 PM
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But probably most! So...what's your beef?
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You are the one who seems to have a beef. As for me, SCOTUS has decreed that the teaching of creationism in public schools is unconstitutional, ergo, things are going my way. Kitzmiller v. Dover determined that "intelligent design" is just another form of creationism, ergo, also unconstitutional.
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If a school district doesn't want to teach anything about the origins of the universe, then they should have that right.
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Apparently in Pennsylvania they do not. In Pennsylvania the law decrees that evolution will be taught in science class. I am unaware of any legal challenges to this law. I doubt that there are or ever will be any.
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04-06-2021, 01:27 PM
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Psalms 14 and 53 were penned way before their time.
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Again, when were Psalms 14 and 53 penned?
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04-06-2021, 01:36 PM
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You are the one who seems to have a beef. As for me, SCOTUS has decreed that the teaching of creationism in public schools is unconstitutional, ergo, things are going my way. Kitzmiller v. Dover determined that "intelligent design" is just another form of creationism, ergo, also unconstitutional.
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As I would expect the enemies of God to rule.
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Apparently in Pennsylvania they do not. In Pennsylvania the law decrees that evolution will be taught in science class. I am unaware of any legal challenges to this law. I doubt that there are or ever will be any.
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Probably not. The nature of man is such that it prefers to hear things that will tickle its ears and feed its heart with more corruption.
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04-06-2021, 01:37 PM
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Again, when were Psalms 14 and 53 penned?
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Got me. Except to say way long before we came onto the world scene. 
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04-06-2021, 01:42 PM
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Then they would have your atheistic naturalism to hug to their bosom, wouldn't they?
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This sentence is an appeal to emotion and/or an appeal to consequences. Two sides of the same coin. One side says "believe this and you will feel good." The other says "if you don't believe this you will feel bad."
Reality is under no obligation to comfort you. If comfort is what you want then buy a bottle of Jack Daniels.
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04-06-2021, 01:46 PM
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Got me.
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Just as I thought.
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04-06-2021, 02:41 PM
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This sentence is an appeal to emotion and/or an appeal to consequences. Two sides of the same coin. One side says "believe this and you will feel good." The other says "if you don't believe this you will feel bad."
Reality is under no obligation to comfort you. If comfort is what you want then buy a bottle of Jack Daniels.
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Oh, come on. Don't be simplistic. You believe what you do because it makes you feel good. I'm also guilty as charged! I believe what I know to be true and that certainly makes me feel good, as well.
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04-06-2021, 02:42 PM
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Just as I thought.
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Well...I''m not heartless, you know? I gotta throw you a bone every now and again.
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04-06-2021, 04:27 PM
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Oh, come on. Don't be simplistic. You believe what you do because it makes you feel good.
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No I don't. I believe what I believe because that's where the evidence leads.
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I'm also guilty as charged! I believe what I know to be true ...
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And how do you know it? From a bunch of writings of dubious origins! 
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04-06-2021, 04:29 PM
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Well...I''m not heartless, you know?
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I don't know that. For all I know you could be a guy who raises cats because he makes money making violin strings from their intestines.
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04-06-2021, 05:48 PM
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No I don't. I believe what I believe because that's where the evidence leads.
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Right. Right where you want it to lead to make you feel comfortable.
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And how do you know it? From a bunch of writings of dubious origins!
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I know it experientially and from the holy scriptures.
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