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09-10-2010, 04:34 PM
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What is pace speed class handicapping?
Does anybody know anything about howard sartin's pace speed class handicapping? Seen someone selling a booklet on ebay. Just wondering if their is any important handicapping knowledge contained in this booklet. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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09-10-2010, 04:35 PM
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A hard fast rule from Sartin from day one :PACE/SPEED is class.
that is all you need to know and why he disregarded man made class levels
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09-10-2010, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 46zilzal
A hard fast rule from Sartin from day one :PACE/SPEED is class.
that is all you need to know and why he disregarded man made class levels
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You know about Sartin - maybe you could actually answer his question in a cogent manner.
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09-10-2010, 04:50 PM
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Ghostrider
Instead thinking of buying booklets from ebay, go here http://paceandcap.com/forums/
You will need to contact Ted Craven to gain access to the Sartin Methodology Library
Last edited by Charlie D; 09-10-2010 at 04:56 PM.
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09-10-2010, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike
You know about Sartin - maybe you could actually answer his question in a cogent manner.
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That is the answer I learned and taught others for over 25 years....that is what is yelled from the rafters, impressed in all the Follow Ups, emboldened in his books, substantiated by his lectures, promoted in his videos......Cannot be much more explicit than that.
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09-10-2010, 05:10 PM
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Doc using Class i believe.
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In the third race back at Santa Rosa, this horse earned the best raw Speed Rating in its last three races. This is a low class Fair Track and even though it was an Allowance Race, the horse finished 5 ¾ lengths behind the leader.
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However, beaten 5 ¾ lengths at a far lower class track should be enough to ignore that line. I used the Last line at FPX September 19, an oval with the highest class of any Fair Track.
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FPX is the HIGHEST CLASS of all the Fair Tracks.
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http://www.americanturf.com/pace/sar...cle.cfm?page=2
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09-10-2010, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie D
Doc using Class i believe.
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you need more study young Jedi student, particularly in staying away from chapters 1 and 2 in a saga that is in chapter 15 by now. The program ENERGY changed all that malarkey
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"If this world is all about winners, what's for the losers?" Jr. Bonner: "Well somebody's got to hold the horses Ace."
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09-10-2010, 05:17 PM
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Not really 46
All one needs to do is go to the link i posted, gain access to the library and read.
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09-10-2010, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie D
Not really 46
All one needs to do is go to the link i posted, gain access to the library and read.
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Yes like all of your brethren there in 1980 land, things have moved on. Rotary phones, phonograph records, milk delivered to your door in bottles are no longer the standards
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09-10-2010, 05:23 PM
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46. You are so blind you can not see and with that i'm done.
All the best.
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09-10-2010, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlie D
46. You are so blind you can not see and with that i'm done.
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If you want to learn A B C's over and over and over and over with no progression, stick with that group. NOT an original idea promoted, investigated, suggested or attempted. IF IT AIN'T in them thar Folla Ups, it aint!
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"If this world is all about winners, what's for the losers?" Jr. Bonner: "Well somebody's got to hold the horses Ace."
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09-10-2010, 05:31 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Originally Posted by Charlie D
46. You are so blind you can not see and with that i'm done.
All the best.
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You may want to change your name to Don Quixote. Between gm10/bisket yesterday and 46 today, you might welcome the windmill.
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09-10-2010, 05:32 PM
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Please do not quote me 46 as i can't ignore someone who does that.
Done
All the best.
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09-10-2010, 05:42 PM
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I'm starting to think it may be best to just stick to reading the posts CJ.
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09-10-2010, 05:50 PM
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One of the things new people to Sartin NEVER get is this man made class structure baloney.
IF a horse has shown that it can contend with the projected pace of the race TODAY, then you have to consider it a wagering possibility NO MATTER WHAT MAN MADE CLASS that pace pressure came from. Better yet if there are two examples of that contention at today's projected pace.
The pace is the class not the printed condition book
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Last edited by 46zilzal; 09-10-2010 at 05:51 PM.
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