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Old 09-13-2006, 06:24 PM   #1
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Two very interesting NY based 2yo's

You'll always have seen some really flashy and exciting debut performances by 2yo's by this time of year.

These horses typically have very precocious pedigrees, and a few pretty talented and physically unsound influences in both the sire lines and the female family of the pedigree.

Horses like Birdstone ('03) Bellamy Road ('04) and Discreet Cat ('05) were the big-time debuting eye catchers of the last couple of years, in the East.

There are two such horses from the East so far this year, and neither one of them really fit the profile of the kind of horse you expect to explode in a debut race.

* Tiz Wonderful won a Saratoga MSW race by 12.5 lengths going 6.5 furlongs, with a 99 Beyer figure on Sep 2nd. His final time was 1.71 seconds faster than a runaway winner in the other split division of his MSW heat. This is a VERY muscular Ridgeling from the Blasi/Assmussen barn. He's a son of Tiznow, who, as a sire, was just 2-for-32 with first time starters from his debuting crop last year. A crop that included Eclipse Champion Folklore. Tiznow himself ran off-the-board in a very weak showing against Cal Bred Maidens in his debut. Later on in the season he would win the Breeders Cup Classic. Tiznow's sire Cee's Tizzy is a moderate 8% with debuters, and shows a big loss on the betting dollar. It is really alarming to see a horse by Tiznow win a debut like that! The mother of this horse was 3-for-13 on the track, and is kin to a pair of stakes winners. The female family is of above average quality, and is all Ogden Phipps mares from 3 generations back.

* Nobiz Like Shobiz won his debut by nearly 11 lengths at Belmont Park last Saturday. He is by an 8% debut sire named Albert the Great who ran very poorly in his first couple races. ATG is a son of Go For Gin, who won the KY Derby, but is a laughable 3-for-179 (2% wins) with first time starters. This horse is trained by Barclay Tagg. Over the past few years, he's had only two real eye-catching debut winners that I can think of. One is named Funny Cide and the other is Showing Up. Both of them kept moving forward. Although this is probably very trivial...I might as well as mention that this horse is from a tail-female line that once represtened a GREAT dynasty in American racing. But, It has since fizzled out badly. Maybe he can rekindle the old glory.

His 9th dam is the legendary producer Balancoire. She was a stake horse in France in the 1910's. She was imported to America as a broodmare prospect after her career was over. Some of the absolute greatest warriors of the last century were produced through her. They include such horses as the legendary Equipoise and Seabiscuit. The former was known as "The Chocolate Soldier" and overcame horrible foot problems, while winning championships in four different seasons. A best selling book was written about the latter. Both horses are obviously in the Hall Of Fame. Other notable warriors include, the wildly popular Quicken Tree, who was a multiple major stakes winner five years in a row, won the Santa Anita Handicap at age 7, and is buried at Santa Anita. Also included is Determine (who won 16 stake races including the Ky Derby in just three years of racing) as well as Intentionally (who was a multiple stakes winner every year from age 2-to-6)

Balancoire is the dam of a Wood Memorial winner. 2nd Dam of Equipoise. 3rd Dam of Seabiscuit. 5th dam of both Quicken Tree and Determine. And 6th dam of triple tiara winner Mom's Command.

At one time, she might have been viewed as a rival to the legendary producer La Troienne. (who also was imported from France) However, with the exception of $3 million earner Peace Rules, she hasn't had a single decent horse trace back to her in over 20 years. Maybe this horse can change that.

Anyway, it's good to see some nice debut explosiveness from a pair of unusal suspects. Maybe these two will keep it together physically...who knows.
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Old 09-13-2006, 09:03 PM   #2
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Old 09-13-2006, 09:19 PM   #4
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NoBiz Liked ShoBiz was impressive. Potential to ba a good one.
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Old 09-13-2006, 10:50 PM   #5
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NoBiz Liked ShoBiz was impressive. Potential to ba a good one.
If you didn't like the Pletcher favorite (Bullara; who did? - like he was ever getting a mile) or

or the Darley animal (ditto)

then NoBiz was your boy (nice steady works)

He has to beat an 'actual' field before I start getting excited, however.

Then again, Cornelio was up --the Grade I catastrophe---

so maybe I should re-evaluate.
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Old 09-14-2006, 10:53 AM   #6
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"Tiz Wonderful "

I also think this is a very hot prospect (for pretty much all the same reasons). I was at Saratoga that day and was very impressed.

Trying to seperate the top long term prospects from the precocious sprinters that won't do much developing is an entertaining part of 2YO racing.
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Believe me.

His opinion is spot-on as usual.

I really do need to get laid.
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Not that anyone should care---but, I'm totally obsessed with Nobiz Like Shobiz.

Do any of you guys ever remember seeing a debuting two-year old, this early in the season, look anywhere near that impressive while winning a race going beyond seven furlongs?
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Hehe the guy’s first post -- Andy it looks like someone has the hots 4 u. Another guy who has followed you across at least two boards and used four aliases.
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Not that anyone should care---but, I'm totally obsessed with Nobiz Like Shobiz.


Sounds like a porn queen
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I knew the "laid' comment would rub some the wrong way. Normally, I would axe such a comment, but knowing that these two are quite fond of one another in real life, I left the joke up.....so, as the cops say in the movies "Move along...nothing to see here...."

(PS. I hate having to explain these things...it takes all the fun out of it....)

(PPS. DrugS, thanks for the writeup....as usual good stuff....)
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Not for anything, but is TLG really getting laid regularly? I happen to agree with him here (9th dam?) but that's like Nicole Richie telling someone they need to eat a sandwich.
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I knew the "laid' comment would rub some the wrong way. Normally, I would axe such a comment, but knowing that these two are quite fond of one another in real life, I left the joke up.....so, as the cops say in the movies "Move along...nothing to see here...."

(PS. I hate having to explain these things...it takes all the fun out of it....)

(PPS. DrugS, thanks for the writeup....as usual good stuff....)
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Old 11-26-2006, 07:53 AM   #15
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Bump.

These two horses both won Grade 2 Stake races today in pretty sharp time and fashion.


They both also look like very serious Kentucky Derby prospects as well.



Hopefully they both stay sound.
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