Climate Change

[Buckeye]

"Who are you, really?"

This is getting too deep for me.

I'm out.

[davew]

Originally Posted by hcap

No one contends AGW is responsible either.

BTW, you forgot the average temp on the sun is EVEN much much higher

Yes, but is it higher than Al Gore's center of the earth?


Why did the coldest recorded temperature ever, occur in the last 10 years? global warming?

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by hcap

Got a reference to who and what this person is?

You asked, this is arrival night at the castle. You will especially like the very end when he talks about President Donald J. Trump. Everything you want to know about the man is in the full week seminar he holds in Scotland.

YouTube

[Tom]

BTW, you forgot the average temp on the sun is EVEN much much higher

Well DUH!
WE had nothing to do with that.
And you know there is GW on PUTO, too.....because

wait for it.....

THE SUN IS GETTING HOTTER.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Tom

Well DUH!
WE had nothing to do with that.
And you know there is GW on PUTO, too.....because

wait for it.....

THE SUN IS GETTING HOTTER.

DUH, there have been natural causes of global warming before man showed up. AGW and science states that was then, and man's contribution to carbon dioxide in the sea and atmosphere are now.

One does not preclude the other.

I did tell you about Paleoclimatology. The industrial revolution started around the late 1700's. Or less than 400 years ago. These graphs goes back 4000,000 years.
(Even if Fred and Barney were around then, Fred Flinstone used foot power, not horsepower.). There have been natural causes of high CO2, before burning fossil fuels and mega agriculture and deforestation

Here are temps and right below are the atmospheric concentrations of CO2.

DUH!

[hcap]

Originally Posted by fast4522

You asked, this is arrival night at the castle. You will especially like the very end when he talks about President Donald J. Trump. Everything you want to know about the man is in the full week seminar he holds in Scotland.

I asked who da hell he was. Not for another incomprehensible pointless video

[hcap]

Better chart of Temperature and CO2 over 400,000 years.



Carbon Dioxide (CO2) has cycled up and down with each ice age, ranging from approximately 180 to 280 ppm. It is now at 394 ppm and rising more than 2 ppm each year. The information is obtained from actual bubbles of gas trapped in the ice sheets of Greenland and the Antarctic, which can be deciphered similar to tree rings. The temperature record comes from the ratio of oxygen isotopes, both in the ice cores and in the layers of deep sea sediments. What cannot be discerned from this kind of analysis is any fine horizontal time scale. With 50,000 years being the unit of time on the horizontal scale, no conclusion can be inferred as to how quickly CO2 or temperature will tend to move in parallel with the other.

[hcap]

What climate skeptics taught me about global warming
https://perspicacity.xyz/2016/12/10/...global-warming

...To illustrate Hill and Doll’s folly, Fisher tore apart their data, highlighting discrepancies between cancer rates in cigarette, cigar, and pipe smokers. He described how much of the increase in cancers could be ascribed to improved methods of detection. And he inaugurated the study of spurious correlations, showing that Doll and Hill’s methods would directly tie an increase in the import of apples to an increase in the divorce rate.

Hill would eventually be proven right. But needed to develop better tools to show this. And by creating these tools, he would define the rules for epidemiology for the next fifty years.



So knowing how PA off topic works, 40 years ago I woild ber fighting for the case against tobacco, only to be accused of being a lying dem, liberal trying to trick the "ordinary folks true believer cigarette smokers" using "big words" like epidemiology

[Inner Dirt]

I would be willing to bet just like the predictions of sea level rise by 2100 vary from 5 inches to 15 feet depending on what "expert" study you read, if someone else in here had no life they could dig around and find the charts of people who claim they can tell temperatures to the 1/10 degree from ice samples and tree rings would vary wildly also.



Also I do recall asking Hcap which one of the sea level rise predictions he believes in but he never answers.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

I would be willing to bet just like the predictions of sea level rise by 2100 vary from 5 inches to 15 feet depending on what "expert" study you read, if someone else in here had no life they could dig around and find the charts of people who claim they can tell temperatures to the 1/10 degree from ice samples and tree rings would vary wildly also.



Also I do recall asking Hcap which one of the sea level rise predictions he believes in but he never answers.

How much is sea level rising?
https://www.skepticalscience.com/sea-level-rise.htm

YouTube (Short URL)

[hcap]

And from NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, and the University of California, Irvine

Evidence of sea level 'fingerprints'
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2626/e...-fingerprints/

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by hcap

And from NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, and the University of California, Irvine

Evidence of sea level 'fingerprints'
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2626/e...-fingerprints/

You can't even read. I asked how much you thought sea level would rise by 2100. Not for you to cut and paste another graph from the internet. WTF is wrong with you other than being a condescending jerk and a coward?

[Tom]

MAster of deflection and subject changing.
Lost all credibility long ago.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

You can't even read. I asked how much you thought sea level would rise by 2100. Not for you to cut and paste another graph from the internet. WTF is wrong with you other than being a condescending jerk and a coward?

Read both articles I posted. Grow up sonny

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Tom

MAster of deflection and subject changing.
Lost all credibility long ago.

There is the question of where. Depending on a few factors like elevation there is no absolute value only mean or average global rise. Which is what the 2 earlier articles covered.

However, The Smithsonian (lousy liberal scientific organization that uses big scary words), writes the following....

https://ocean.si.edu/through-time/an...sea-level-rise

But over the past century, the average height of the sea has risen more consistently—less than a centimeter every year, but those small additions add up. Today, sea level is 5 to 8 inches (13-20 centimeters) higher on average than it was in 1900. That's a pretty big change: for the previous 2,000 years, sea level hadn't changed much at all. The rate of sea level rise has also increased over time. Between 1900 and 1990 studies show that sea level rose between 1.2 millimeters and 1.7 millimeters per year on average. By 2000, that rate had increased to about 3.2 millimeters per year and the rate in 2016 is estimated at 3.4 millimeters per year. Sea level is expected to rise even more quickly by the end of the century.

Small island nations, including the Maldives, Kiribati and Tuvalu, are already grappling with the effects of sea level rise. The 52 [small island] nations, home to over 62 million people, emit less than one per cent of global greenhouse gases, yet they suffer disproportionately from the climate change that global emissions cause," says Achim Steiner, executive director of the United Nations Environment Programme.

The people of each island nation face their own unique challenges, but some common themes emerge. As sea level rises, they face increased flooding and erosion of their shorelines, and sources of fresh water and agricultural land become unusable when seawater seeps in.

The Maldives is the lowest country on the planet. The average height of its 1,200 islands, which spread across 1,000 miles (1,600 kilometers) in the Indian Ocean, is only four feet (1.2 meters) above sea level. Already, ever-higher waves encroaching on the shores of the lowest islands erode beaches and there is nowhere for residents to retreat to when a tropical cyclone or a tsunami wave approaches. Residents have even been forced to move as the world's first climate change refugees.

Some strategies may buy some time—at least for some islands. Islands can rise as coral reefs grow upward and sand is added to beaches. Dikes and seawalls can hold the ocean back. But ultimately, many people will abandon their lifestyles and livelihoods on threatened islands as encroaching waves force them to move elsewhere.