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Old 05-16-2020, 09:43 PM   #4936
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If Aristotle hung around with Boxcar...he'd be wearing boots.
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Old 05-17-2020, 02:50 AM   #4937
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  1. Why would we want to?
  2. Plato's Apology says that Aristotle went barefoot.
  3. Aquinas was a cleric. Clerics wore sandals because boots were expensive and clerics took a vow of poverty.

What does that even mean?
Greetings Actor, still pounding the parrot I see lol. Actually it was Socrates in the Apology not Aristotle. Aristotle was still a kid in Stagira when Socrates went on trial. Carry on!

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Old 05-17-2020, 05:28 AM   #4938
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Neither you or Actor are fit to lick the bottom of the boots of Aristotle or Aquinas.

All I said about evolution is that a cause must be in its effect, which does demolish evolution -- just like the caterpillar is in the butterfly.
Have you been drinking? The only thing you demolish around here is your own credibility and belief in god.

You should be fired as god's inept confused spokesman. Maybe you are responsible for...
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“In the United States, Christians will decline from more than three-quarters of the population in 2010 to two-thirds in 2050.” Keep the good work demolishing evolution.
Btw, the caterpillar is NOT IN THE BUTTERFLY, as any cause is never "in it's effect"
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Old 05-17-2020, 07:32 AM   #4939
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Have you been drinking? The only thing you demolish around here is your own credibility and belief in god.

You should be fired as god's inept confused spokesman. Maybe you are responsible for...

Btw, the caterpillar is NOT IN THE BUTTERFLY, as any cause is never "in it's effect"
So what caused the butterfly to come into existence?
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Old 05-17-2020, 07:38 AM   #4940
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I've explained it to you. I can't understand it for you.

The original subject was cyclic models of the universe. Your claim is that something had to start the cycle. The burden of proof is yours.
Name one cycle in temporal reality that doesn't have a cause. The water cycle? Rock cycle? Carbon cycle? Nitrogen cycle? Seasonal cycle? Day and Night cycle? Lunar cycle? Agricultural cycle?
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Old 05-17-2020, 07:42 AM   #4941
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As usual, you did not understand one word I wrote. What a waste you are.
You write gibberish. It's doubtful you have ever had a coherent thought in your life.

You can't even tell the difference between mind and nature (essence). Your entire cranial cavity is a wasteland filled with mush from ear to ear.
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Old 05-17-2020, 11:54 AM   #4942
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Name one cycle in temporal reality that doesn't have a cause.
  • The oscillating universe model of the universe proposed by Albert Einstein.
  • The Steinhardt–Turok model.
  • The Baum–Frampton model.
  • The Conformal Cyclic Cosmological model.
  • The Loop Quantum Cosmological model.
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Old 05-17-2020, 01:12 PM   #4943
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So what caused the butterfly to come into existence?
It's genetic code which evolved over millions of generations. The physical form of the butterfly is written in that code, as is it' succeeding form of butterfly is also written. Not within the caterpillar itself. Except as the same genetic material are in every stage of it's existence All 4 stages of it's life cycle are all within that genetic code. Carried from birth to death.

We only "see" at any one time, one part of it's transformation

Butterfly Life Cycle / Butterfly Metamorphosis
All butterflies have "complete metamorphosis." To grow into an adult they go through 4 stages: egg, larva, pupa and adult. Each stage has a different goal - for instance, caterpillars need to eat a lot, and adults need to reproduce.

I guess you think the chicken is still in it's egg after it hatches
Or the egg "caused the chicken?"

So box, why did the chicken cross the road?
To get away from being scrambled?
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Old 05-17-2020, 01:51 PM   #4944
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You write gibberish. It's doubtful you have ever had a coherent thought in your life.

You can't even tell the difference between mind and nature (essence). Your entire cranial cavity is a wasteland filled with mush from ear to ear.
We were discussing "god's essence". You told me it was defined in the bible. A vague and arbitrary definition compounded by your pompous confusing literal interpretation.

There is no reason I can't define the "essence" of the universe as I and various cosmologists see fit.
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Old 05-17-2020, 07:10 PM   #4945
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It's genetic code which evolved over millions of generations. The physical form of the butterfly is written in that code, as is it' succeeding form of butterfly is also written. Not within the caterpillar itself. Except as the same genetic material are in every stage of it's existence All 4 stages of it's life cycle are all within that genetic code. Carried from birth to death.

We only "see" at any one time, one part of it's transformation

Butterfly Life Cycle / Butterfly Metamorphosis
All butterflies have "complete metamorphosis." To grow into an adult they go through 4 stages: egg, larva, pupa and adult. Each stage has a different goal - for instance, caterpillars need to eat a lot, and adults need to reproduce.

I guess you think the chicken is still in it's egg after it hatches
Or the egg "caused the chicken?"

So box, why did the chicken cross the road?
To get away from being scrambled?
And what carries that genetic code? Or does it just free float in the air?
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We were discussing "god's essence". You told me it was defined in the bible. A vague and arbitrary definition compounded by your pompous confusing literal interpretation.

There is no reason I can't define the "essence" of the universe as I and various cosmologists see fit.
You're lying again. I never said the bible defines essence.

In terms of the universe's existence, you have only two ways to define the universe: It's either finite or its eternal.
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And what carries that genetic code? Or does it just free float in the air?
Evolution over millions of generations

Effects are not within causes. Caterpillars and butterfly's organizational patterns, not the actual physical stages of insect are coded in the genetic material. A full grown tree does not exist inside of an acorn.

It's pattern does
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Old 05-18-2020, 07:03 AM   #4948
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You're lying again. I never said the bible defines essence.

In terms of the universe's existence, you have only two ways to define the universe: It's either finite or its eternal.
You said...

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...Further, scripture teaches that God is perfect. A perfect being logically cannot change, since any change would be either for the better or worse and would actually contradict his perfect state. If he changed for the better, then he was never perfect, since perfection cannot be improved upon. Or if he changed for, the worse this, too, would prove he was never perfect, since perfection, is the highest degree of excellence or quality of attributes.

The ancient writers of scripture were so much smarter than your pathetic dumb butt.
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Old 05-18-2020, 10:33 AM   #4949
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Evolution over millions of generations

Effects are not within causes. Caterpillars and butterfly's organizational patterns, not the actual physical stages of insect are coded in the genetic material. A full grown tree does not exist inside of an acorn.

It's pattern does
So, the caterpillar doesn't have any genetic code in it? Is this what you're saying?
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Old 05-18-2020, 11:39 AM   #4950
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So, the caterpillar doesn't have any genetic code in it? Is this what you're saying?
No, never ever said that.
See a GOOD memory specialist. Not 2 posts before, I said this:

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It's genetic code which evolved over millions of generations. The physical form of the butterfly is written in that code, as is it' succeeding form of butterfly is also written. Not within the caterpillar itself. Except as the same genetic material are in every stage of it's existence

All 4 stages of it's life cycle are all within that genetic code. Carried from birth to death.

We only "see" at any one time, one part of it's transformation

Butterfly Life Cycle / Butterfly Metamorphosis
All butterflies have "complete metamorphosis." To grow into an adult they go through 4 stages: egg, larva, pupa and adult. Each stage has a different goal - for instance, caterpillars need to eat a lot, and adults need to reproduce.

I guess you think the chicken is still in it's egg after it hatches
Or the egg "caused the chicken?"

So box, why did the chicken cross the road?
To get away from being scrambled?
One more time even larger......

All 4 stages of it's life cycle are all within that genetic code. Carried from birth to death.
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