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Old 06-06-2014, 11:06 AM   #16
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I only bring this up because in another thread someone championed the on-track programs...as if that is some sort of bargain versus the DRF.

Yes, the on-track program is cheaper, but there's a reason for that. And that's why the program exists. To serve the customer who only wants one or two tracks worth of PPs.
Here if you go out the track simulcast center, the program has all the tracks being brought in for about half the price of the one DRF. It is Equibase PPs. You have to buy 2 DRFs, one for the early tracks and one for the CA and late tracks. So you the program for about a quarter of what you'd pay for the DRFs. You do give something by going the program route. I am of the opinion that the margin between winning and losing is so small that DRFs are worth it. That being said, here at home I use BRIS ,which for all its faults, for my style of handicapping is better than both. I'd be lost without BRIS's E1 ratings.
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Old 06-06-2014, 11:47 AM   #17
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I generally play 1 track,sometimes 2. I purchase DRF on line and like it better than the paper,they are currently selling. My knock against the Form is they seemed to have drove their old print customers away. I actually miss buying the paper,but $9.00 to look at one or two tracks is expensive. The best deal for the Form is from the machines at $2.00 a track which is very fair.
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Old 06-06-2014, 02:35 PM   #18
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To me, the "i dont get it" seems to indicate that you don't understand why people complain about paying 9 bucks.

Was the "i dont get it" about something else?
My only point is that the cost-per-track is not better with most track programs.

The best value in printed PPs is the Daily Racing Program (put out by DRF), where you can get 10+ tracks (Equibase speed/pace numbers) for something like $4.00-$6.00 depending on where you buy it.
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Old 06-06-2014, 02:38 PM   #19
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I just bought Saturday's Form at Wegmans.
Cost me $9, BUT!

I got a sample of cheese, a sample of cooked sausage, a sample of Wegmans orange juice, and a sample of salmon with dill sauce.

I felt like I should have left a tip!
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Old 06-06-2014, 03:09 PM   #20
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Just got back from Sunset Station, $2 for the DRF which has 10 tracks in it, and also picked up the entry sheets which have the Brisnet #'s on the back which are always free. I cant complain one bit.
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Old 06-06-2014, 04:18 PM   #21
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The race to 10? Is that cover price, or number of threads on the price of the DRF?

People pay $4.00 for a track program with two tracks in it (and Equibase figs), but they'll complain about paying $9.00 for a DRF with five+ tracks in it (and Beyer figs and articles and all the other stuff in there)?

I don't get it...




Yep doesnt make sense. I paid 7.50 yesterday with 7 tracks in it. Thats a lot of info for that price. Well worth it in my opinion.

The reason people buy programs is because they dont want to spend the xtra money for a form. To me therrs so much more info in the racing form than the program.
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Old 06-06-2014, 10:42 PM   #22
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I just bought Saturday's Form at Wegmans.
Cost me $9, BUT!

I got a sample of cheese, a sample of cooked sausage, a sample of Wegmans orange juice, and a sample of salmon with dill sauce.

I felt like I should have left a tip!
Sounds like socialism to me!
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Old 06-07-2014, 01:42 AM   #23
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Just got back from Sunset Station, $2 for the DRF which has 10 tracks in it, and also picked up the entry sheets which have the Brisnet #'s on the back which are always free. I cant complain one bit.
I think it is time for everybody to pack up and move to Las Vegas which is and always will be the best value on earth.

If you play you get free forms, if you don't play and just want to read or save a seat with the form its $2.00.
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Old 06-07-2014, 01:51 AM   #24
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Last time I was in Vegas it was 117 degrees!
$9 ain't so bad.....I guess.
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Last time I was in Vegas it was 117 degrees!
$9 ain't so bad.....I guess.
Come on down, its only going to be 105 today..bring a sweater
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Old 06-07-2014, 09:34 AM   #26
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The best value in printed PPs is the Daily Racing Program (put out by DRF), where you can get 10+ tracks (Equibase speed/pace numbers) for something like $4.00-$6.00 depending on where you buy it.
this is the simulcast program at pen. the last one I have is last Friday night's "book 2" which was $4 on track and featured pps from 13 tracks.

no articles, but it did give the two traditional drf news tidbits on page 4. (the passing of maya angelou and search for missing ranchers called off)

pace figures: BIG advantage track program.
speed figures: advantage drf
trainer stats: advantage drf
layout: imo, advantage drf (layoff lines, previously trained by.....)
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Old 06-07-2014, 10:07 AM   #27
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What if you are only interested in 2 tracks that comes to $4.50 a track and a lot of paper to throw out
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Old 06-07-2014, 11:25 AM   #28
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As outrageous as the price of the Form has become, I'd still grudgingly pay it, if only I could find one. Distribution in my area has become non-existent, except for the track itself.
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Old 06-07-2014, 12:09 PM   #29
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daily racing program (DRF product - the old sports eye) is $6.00 off track and has 14 tracks in Saturday's

doesn't have Lone Star, Canterbury or most of the night tracks, but those can be had for $1.00 each via PDF on the DRF site...weekday editions have everything running.

downside is that not many places carry it off track

upside is that I really only play maidens and turf races so fits my information needs very well

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Old 06-07-2014, 01:40 PM   #30
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Here if you go out the track simulcast center, the program has all the tracks being brought in for about half the price of the one DRF. It is Equibase PPs. You have to buy 2 DRFs, one for the early tracks and one for the CA and late tracks. So you the program for about a quarter of what you'd pay for the DRFs. You do give something by going the program route. I am of the opinion that the margin between winning and losing is so small that DRFs are worth it. That being said, here at home I use BRIS ,which for all its faults, for my style of handicapping is better than both. I'd be lost without BRIS's E1 ratings.
This might best be the basis for a new thread, but how do you use the BRIS E1 ratings? Do you find them to be significant for turf & synthetic?
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