Brisnet running styles

[raybo]

This is what makes "sense" to me, regarding preferred running styles:

An "E" performance = 1st at either or both the 1st call and/or 2nd call, or 1st, 2nd, or 3rd at either the 1st or 2nd call AND less than or equal to 1 BL at that call.

An "E/P" performance = 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, at either the 1st or 2nd call, AND less than or equal to 3 BLs at that call. (already we have some overlap between E and E/P assignments).

A "P" performance = 4th through 7th position at the 1st or 2nd call OR more than 3 BLs but less than or equal to 7 BLs at either of those calls.

An "S" performance = Worse than 7th position OR more than 7 BLs at the 1st and 2nd call

A "NA" performance = less than or equal to 1 race lifetime AND was not 1st, 2nd, or 3rd at the 1st or 2nd call if he had a race, or less than 3 races lifetime AND never showed anything in any of those races (ran at the back of the pack for the whole race, in all of those races).

But, I have programmed those criteria (and many others) and they don't match the Brisnet running styles nearly enough of the time. There is also the problem with coming to a final running style based on separate running styles in multiple races. I was using the last 10 races for each horse (or as many races as they actually had, less than 10) and using the running style that he was assigned the most often. If there was a tie between 2 running styles I used the slower running style, so a tie between E and E/P would give me an E/P, a tie between E/P and P would give me a P, a tie between E/P and S would give me a P, P and S would give me an S, an E and a P would give me an E/P, an E and an S would give me P, etc..

[Robert Goren]

I want to make myself clear. The BRIS running style never changes, the number changes all the time. Once an "E", always an "E". I can not find where I read that. I am still sure I read it someplace.

[TexasDolly]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

I want to make myself clear. The BRIS running style never changes, the number changes all the time. Once an "E", always an "E". I can not find where I read that. I am still sure I read it someplace.

They do change. In the first at TDN today witt's rule is running as an "ep", last out on 17 sept. witt's ran as an "s" . Before the race the horse was designated as an "s" and the
performance that day graded the horse as an "s" . Before witt's race on the 31st of aug the horse was designated as "s" and his performance was rated as an "ep".
The determination of the current race not clear to me.
TD

[PhantomOnTour]

I completely ignore the BRIS running styles and the speed points assigned to them.
Figuring out who will be where in the early stages is crucial, and something I like to determine myself....what about jock switches and barn changes and cutbacks/stretchouts? What if they go from Leparoux to Chris Decarlo on board?

If I can't surmise the early pace and who will be where then I don't play that race.

[DJofSD]

There appears to be a conflicting assertions.

To both: what is the source of your assertions, BRIS ultimate PPs, raw data from BRIS from the "Software Data Files" section of the web site, or, something else?

[TexasDolly]

Originally Posted by DJofSD

There appears to be a conflicting assertions.

To both: what is the source of your assertions, BRIS ultimate PPs, raw data from BRIS from the "Software Data Files" section of the web site, or, something else?

If the question was addressed to me the source was the software
data files.
TD

[DJofSD]

Originally Posted by TexasDolly

If the question was addressed to me the source was the software
data files.
TD

Yes, in part, and, THX.

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

I want to make myself clear. The BRIS running style never changes, the number changes all the time. Once an "E", always an "E". I can not find where I read that. I am still sure I read it someplace.

I think you misunderstood what you have read.

Take a look, in the following spreadsheet. it contains a few thousand horses with their assigned running styles per race. The third column contains the number of different styles per starter:

running-styles

[raybo]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

I think you misunderstood what you have read.

Take a look, in the following spreadsheet. it contains a few thousand horses with their assigned running styles per race. The third column contains the number of different styles per starter:

running-styles

DL, how are those individual race running styles listed? Most recent on the left, or on the right? That will go a long way in determining how they assign the running styles in their PPs. You can have 10 running lines listed in the PPs for a horse, having more than one style, it is important to know how today's running style is assigned, regarding those previous 10 styles for that horse.

Thanks!

[GameTheory]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

I think you misunderstood what you have read.

Take a look, in the following spreadsheet. it contains a few thousand horses with their assigned running styles per race. The third column contains the number of different styles per starter:

running-styles

Delta would it be possible to find out the ES pts range for each style? They seem to go hand in hand. In other words, I'm assuming all of the E's are E8 or E7 but not E2, right? And there are no S8s. Are they just taking the speed pts and putting a label on it or are there overlaps? EP6 and also E6s out there?

[DJofSD]

Originally Posted by raybo

DL, how are those individual race running styles listed? Most recent on the left, or on the right? That will go a long way in determining how they assign the running styles in their PPs. You can have 10 running lines listed in the PPs for a horse, having more than one style, it is important to know how today's running style is assigned, regarding those previous 10 styles for that horse.

Thanks!

Just a bit of information.

The single file format of the software data files contain the characters for the running style in field 210. This is the only field which has any such data. In other words, there is not a field in the portion of the data for each running line which has a code for the BRIS running style.

This implies the data in the spreadsheet represents instances of data from field 210 for as many different separate files as there are codes listed in the cell for each horse.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

[GameTheory]

Originally Posted by DJofSD

Just a bit of information.

The single file format of the software data files contain the characters for the running style in field 210. This is the only field which has any such data. In other words, there is not a field in the portion of the data for each running line which has a code for the BRIS running style.

This implies the data in the spreadsheet represents instances of data from field 210 for as many different separate files as there are codes listed in the cell for each horse.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Yes I think that's right. There is no running style for each line, just one applied to the horse for "today" (the file date) based on the last 10 or whatever...

[DJofSD]

Originally Posted by GameTheory

... based on the last 10 or whatever...

It's not clear to me how those designations are assigned by BRIS and what BRIS is trying to tell us.

If they are mutable, what is the criteria?

I treat them like the Prime Power (which are very mutable) -- interesting and the intellectual property of BRIS.

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by raybo

DL, how are those individual race running styles listed? Most recent on the left, or on the right? That will go a long way in determining how they assign the running styles in their PPs. You can have 10 running lines listed in the PPs for a horse, having more than one style, it is important to know how today's running style is assigned, regarding those previous 10 styles for that horse.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by GameTheory

Delta would it be possible to find out the ES pts range for each style? They seem to go hand in hand. In other words, I'm assuming all of the E's are E8 or E7 but not E2, right? And there are no S8s. Are they just taking the speed pts and putting a label on it or are there overlaps? EP6 and also E6s out there?

Sorted from older to newer.
I modified the document, adding racing date + QSP
Take a look:
http://www.themindofagambler.com/running_styles.xlsx

[GameTheory]

Originally Posted by DJofSD

It's not clear to me how those designations are assigned by BRIS and what BRIS is trying to tell us.

If they are mutable, what is the criteria?

I treat them like the Prime Power (which are very mutable) -- interesting and the intellectual property of BRIS.

I'm assuming they are based on the last ten because the speed points are and that's part of it, but maybe they go back more...