William Hill - short pay - won't pay track odds

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by elhelmete

He's also considering a lawsuit because the girls sent to his room don't resemble the ones pictured on the hand-out cards on the blvd.

This occurred at the Tamarack Junction Casino, about 3 minutes from my house.

They don't have a hotel. ;-)

When I first heard about this, I reached out to them. (We've known the family who owns and manages it for years. Actually used to live on the same cul-de-sac as them, and our kids all went to school together.)

As the son said to me (and as was mentioned here), it was all William Hill.

i wonder if the place that the bettor bet at was parimutuel for everything but the big racing days, or if it is always non-parimutuel?

The Tamarack Junction is a slot place. No table games, and they do not actually have a racebook. It is only a sports book.

I didn't even realize that one could make a sports bet there.

If it's not offering parimutuel payouts past a certain limit, why not have fixed odds? Maybe because it's trying to give the illusion of offering parimutuel payouts?

Removes the risk that comes with fixed odds. They pay track odds up to stated limits. All about protecting the "joint."

I once had this date with this babe I met on Fakebook
man, she looked HOT!!! on her Fakebook page

and then I actually met her in person. well, you know the rest

I had a similar experience when I was in the Army. While visiting New Orleans, I took a purely hot girl back to my room in the French quarter. Upon unwrapping my present, I discovered that she was a he!

Tossed "it" off the 2nd floor balcony.
(Actually not kidding about that. Landed on the hood of a car down below and I left town in a hurry.)

What? Well, yes. Perhaps I was a little homophobic back then.

[Prairie Bettor]

I've played at the non pari-mutual places in Nevada.

I was playing $200 win tickets and it would take about a minute for the ticket to print out of the machine. Somebody off-site was approving the tickets. Eventually they limited me to $20 win tickets.

These small sites are booked because the pari-mutual rake wouldn't be enough to make it profitable. They will limit advantaged players and send you to a pari-mutual location.

The way I understood it was William Hill rents a space inside the casino, the workers are employees of William Hill.

That ticket shouldn't have been approved, the upside for William Hill wasn't there, even with the posted limits. My guess is the guy that approved it just thought it was a stupid bet. I would fire that guy, "you had one job." Even paying the posted limits they lost 20k on the $40 tri bet. And another 15k on the $100 exacta. Not good.

Obviously we don't know the good doctor's betting history. He very well may have lost considerable sums over the years or even that day which perhaps explains them accepting the bet.

They will not and should not pay the full track payout. The signs are there for a reason.

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by The_Turf_Monster

If it's not offering parimutuel payouts past a certain limit, why not have fixed odds? Maybe because it's trying to give the illusion of offering parimutuel payouts?

Is William Hill paying into purse accounts from the takeout on these bets? If not, I cannot see why or how a non-parimutuel bookmaker should even exist in the US

Will hill sports book in jersey supports the horsemen per state law.

Allan

[stlseeeek]

Nearly all of the Sports books have those rules.

They don't want to be the step child for the fixers. They know how shady tbreds-harness are, and they know 1 fixer could break them good.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Will hill sports book in jersey supports the horsemen per state law.

Allan

It's the same in Nevada on every non-pari-mutuel contract signed.
A certain percentage of every wager goes to the horsemen of the host track.

[horses4courses]

William Hill does have some pari-mutuel race books in Nevada.
However, they are slowly being phased out.

One I know of in Carson City took it's last pari-mutuel wager on Dec 31st 2018.
Like Tamarack Junction in Reno, and numerous other branches of theirs, they
still offer non-pari-mutuel wagering on big race days only (KY Derby, Breeders').

Limits on exotics are low and should be displayed everywhere.
They are trying to accommodate bettors - on their terms.

On Derby Day, what's worse for them - having people ask every 5 minutes
if they can bet the race, and telling them they can't, or pissing off 1% of
their bettors who hit an exotic that paid over their limit at the track?

Normally, the process works fine for all concerned.
People win and lose a little money, and no one gets hurt.

If you want to hit "big balloons", make sure you're betting into the track pool.
When betting non-pari-mutuel, keep the limits in mind - or pass the race.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

William Hill does have some pari-mutuel race books in Nevada.
However, they are slowly being phased out.

One I know of in Carson City took it's last pari-mutuel wager on Dec 31st 2018.
Like Tamarack Junction in Reno, and numerous other branches of theirs, they
still offer non-pari-mutuel wagering on big race days only (KY Derby, Breeders').

Limits on exotics are low and should be displayed everywhere.
They are trying to accommodate bettors - on their terms.

On Derby Day, what's worse for them - having people ask every 5 minutes
if they can bet the race, and telling them they can't, or pissing off 1% of
their bettors who hit an exotic that paid over their limit at the track?

Normally, the process works fine for all concerned.
People win and lose a little money, and no one gets hurt.

If you want to hit "big balloons", make sure you're betting into the track pool.
When betting non-pari-mutuel, keep the limits in mind - or pass the race.

did William Hill takeover Leroy's years ago?

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

did William Hill takeover Leroy's years ago?

Yep - in 2012.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leroy%...6_Sports_Place

Will Hill bought out close to all the satellite outfits in Nevada.
Cal Neva, Leroy's, Lucky's, etc.

They have become the McDonald's of bookmakers.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Yep - in 2012.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leroy%...6_Sports_Place

Will Hill bought out close to all the satellite outfits in Nevada.
Cal Neva, Leroy's, Lucky's, etc.

They have become the McDonald's of bookmakers.

Leroy's was a waste of time. one summer i bet baseball at The Union Plaza when Sony Martin was the linemaker. i was first man in on the line and my deal was that i paid an extra 5 cents for the privilege.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

Leroy's was a waste of time. one summer i bet baseball at The Union Plaza when Sony Martin was the linemaker. i was first man in on the line and my deal was that i paid an extra 5 cents for the privilege.

There were a number of Sports Book Directors at some of the bigger casinos
in LV in the late 90's, early 2000's, who were lining their personal bank accounts
by giving preferential treatment to certain outfits who got first crack at the line.

They got caught - never worked in Nevada gaming since.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

There were a number of Sports Book Directors at some of the bigger casinos
in LV in the late 90's, early 2000's, who were lining their personal bank accounts
by giving preferential treatment to certain outfits who got first crack at the line.

They got caught - never worked in Nevada gaming since.

i did it in the 70's! i had a baseball handicapper with me. his name was Harvey one eye. this was the only year in his entire life that he won in a baseball season. he was lucky as hell, he won every single extra inning game that year, and was flat out el Fuego.

the guys that you were talking about were betting at The Mirage with Jimmy Vaccaro. it wasn't me, because i wasn't betting sports back then, just horses.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

i did it in the 70's! i had a baseball handicapper with me. his name was Harvey one eye. this was the only year in his entire life that he won in a baseball season. he was lucky as hell, he won every single extra inning game that year, and was flat out el Fuego.

the guys that you were talking about were betting at The Mirage with Jimmy Vaccaro. it wasn't me, because i wasn't betting sports back then, just horses.

Vaccaro stayed in Nevada until this year.
Took a job in Pittsburgh (his original home town) opening a new book there.

[Parkview_Pirate]

Originally Posted by Half Smoke

I once had this date with this babe I met on Fakebook
man, she looked HOT!!! on her Fakebook page


and then I actually met her in person. well, you know the rest

Since we're well off track here, I'll add this same observation applies to where I work, and the women's pictures on their Outlook and Skype accounts. Definite "glamour shot" vibe versus the men - with grizzled beards and hair sticking out...

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Vaccaro stayed in Nevada until this year.
Took a job in Pittsburgh (his original home town) opening a new book there.

his brother Sony signed Michael Jordan for Nike. i am still waiting for almost 30 years now for the pair of Air-Jordans he promised me.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

i did it in the 70's! i had a baseball handicapper with me. his name was Harvey one eye. this was the only year in his entire life that he won in a baseball season. he was lucky as hell, he won every single extra inning game that year, and was flat out el Fuego.

the guys that you were talking about were betting at The Mirage with Jimmy Vaccaro. it wasn't me, because i wasn't betting sports back then, just horses.

https://sportshandle.com/remembering...gas-oddsmaker/