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05-09-2019, 04:32 AM
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What I thought was strange, was that basically if a TC was on the line, they were going to run him back in the Preakness?
Yet as of late, they said something like they didn't want to run Max back in two weeks without a TC on the line because they "wanted to do right by the horse."
So which is it? Don't run him back in 2 weeks out of consideration for the horse, but if a TC is on the line that consideration goes out the window?
Maybe I misunderstood their comment.
To me, if the horse is fit and well should determine if you run a horse back, not because there's a TC on the line.
I realize this is all a moot point since they seem to be boycotting the rest of the TC races, but I still thought this was strange.
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Good points.
Personally, I would run Max back in the Preakness if he seemed like he was sturdy enough to handle it. If he wins the Preakness and then the Belmont he would be a legitimate TC winner in my opinion. He could demand a higher stud fee as a sire. I'd send my mares to him before I would to CH.
On the other hand if Max lost the Preakness, that could also negatively affect his stud fee. So there is not much downside if he doesn't run again. One thing that can never be taken away from him is that he crossed the finish line first in the KY Derby.
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05-09-2019, 12:20 PM
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Good points.
Personally, I would run Max back in the Preakness if he seemed like he was sturdy enough to handle it. If he wins the Preakness and then the Belmont he would be a legitimate TC winner in my opinion. He could demand a higher stud fee as a sire. I'd send my mares to him before I would to CH.
On the other hand if Max lost the Preakness, that could also negatively affect his stud fee. So there is not much downside if he doesn't run again. One thing that can never be taken away from him is that he crossed the finish line first in the KY Derby.
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I instantly said this.
Give it a try. Sit out the Belmont if he doesn't win (he only has 7 classic points, no solid or professional). If you take the Preakness, the asterisk Triple Crown is there for you --- that would make racing another story and much more exciting with great vindication interests for bettors.
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05-09-2019, 12:28 PM
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On the other hand if Max lost the Preakness, that could also negatively affect his stud fee.
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Only the initial fee, once the foals start coming and hit the track the fee is adjusted up or down as the market bears.
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05-09-2019, 12:44 PM
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They don't have rack and pinion power steering?
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They're still responsible for what they do. Saez kept saying "he's a baby, he's a baby". So he's green and was unable to run a straight path on a turn. That's on him. That's the chance one takes when one runs an inexperienced horse in this race. That's why the rules don't say anything about a jockey's intent. That's a matter for suspensions. They're only concerned with what a horse does.
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05-09-2019, 12:56 PM
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Anybody who is depending on a horse race for a $250,000 mortgage is a fool.
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05-09-2019, 01:57 PM
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Anybody who is depending on a horse race for a $250,000 mortgage is a fool.
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Does this include the trainers?
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05-09-2019, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LemonSoupKid
I instantly said this.
Give it a try. Sit out the Belmont if he doesn't win (he only has 7 classic points, no solid or professional). If you take the Preakness, the asterisk Triple Crown is there for you --- that would make racing another story and much more exciting with great vindication interests for bettors.
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Yours is a better idea.
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05-13-2019, 12:24 PM
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15 day unpaid vacation for Saez.
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05-13-2019, 05:09 PM
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Let Round 2 of the outrage begin.....
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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05-14-2019, 11:53 PM
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You make it sound like Luis Saez steered Maximum Security to veer out on the turn. He might have over corrected to get the horse back into the 2 lane. Sometimes horses just do stuff on their own.
By your logic Saez should also get a 30+ day suspension, are we going to see that?
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15 days on a tiring horse that switched leads on the turn.
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05-15-2019, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by bobphilo
Anybody who is depending on a horse race for a $250,000 mortgage is a fool.
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Does this include the trainers?
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05-15-2019, 05:55 AM
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Thank you.
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05-15-2019, 06:01 PM
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And now the West's are suing to have the dq overturned. Good luck with that.
Let's keep escalating this to the point of absurdity. Next thing you know, Saez will get 30 days.
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05-15-2019, 09:28 PM
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And now the West's are suing to have the dq overturned. Good luck with that.
Let's keep escalating this to the point of absurdity. Next thing you know, Saez will get 30 days.
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I took the time to read the complaint - pretty compelling stuff. It presents a case that shows that the CD stewards and KHRC did not properly apply the correct administrative procedures. Thereinlies the case for them to reverse the placings and reinstate MS as the winner.
At this point, I'm finding the whole affair to be somewhat entertaining. Perhaps, there is a future movie in this.
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05-15-2019, 09:47 PM
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