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05-08-2019, 05:23 PM
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Question:
If Maximum Security (or any other horse for that matter) seems to be running out of gas but stays in his lane, is he still responsible for those encroaching up behind him?
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05-09-2019, 01:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueChip@DRF
Question:
If Maximum Security (or any other horse for that matter) seems to be running out of gas but stays in his lane, is he still responsible for those encroaching up behind him?
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As long as he stays in his lane he is fine. He can also change lanes if he is clear of other horses.
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05-10-2019, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
As long as he stays in his lane he is fine. He can also change lanes if he is clear of other horses.
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But won't rider behind the gassed horse have a legit complaint that he was held up because the horse in front of him stopped?
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05-10-2019, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueChip@DRF
But won't rider behind the gassed horse have a legit complaint that he was held up because the horse in front of him stopped?
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Nope. Slowing down is not a foul.
Bear in mind, this isn't usually an issue because horses who truly stop and run out of gas rarely, if ever, get going again so they don't hit the board where a disqualification is possible.
Last edited by dilanesp; 05-10-2019 at 11:24 AM.
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05-10-2019, 11:34 AM
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It's kind of like driving on a freeway with multiple lanes of traffic moving in the same direction.
Suppose you are in the right-most lane and all six lanes are moving at a good clip. But then the car in front of you begins slowing down because the driver is tapping on the brakes for no apparent reason.
You have a split second to make a decision within the rules of the road:
- You can make a bad decision, change lanes when there isn't room, and risk being at fault for causing an accident.
- You can change lanes because there's plenty of room, and easily go around the guy who's breaking for no apparent reason.
- Maybe the amount of room is questionable, and you decide to stay put. The driver in front of you slows down even more, and you end up getting stuck beind him, while car after car goes around the two of you.
Events similar to what I just described above happen on the racetrack every day. (The rules of the road are similar for both the freeway and the racetrack.)
As a rider:
- You can tip out for room, ask for run, and pass horses that are moving slower than you - provided there's room.
- But if there isn't room, or if you are too slow to react and take advantage of room before it disappears, or if you lack the skill to nudge your way out (and yes that's a skill in and of itself) then you are left with no choice but to tap on the brakes yourself, and end up getting stuck behind slower moving horse(s) while others go around you to compete for a top money placing.
Imo, if you are trip handicapping, the situation described above is worth paying attention to.
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Last edited by Jeff P; 05-10-2019 at 11:37 AM.
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05-12-2019, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by PuckLuck
Up to now. I just set the record straight.
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No you didn't. What you posted wasn't even true.
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05-12-2019, 07:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueChip@DRF
Question:
If Maximum Security (or any other horse for that matter) seems to be running out of gas but stays in his lane, is he still responsible for those encroaching up behind him?
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MaxSec running out of gas? lulz
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05-13-2019, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by bob60566
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This shows you they didn't buy his lawyers' attempts to blame War of Will AT ALL. That argument may have even gotten him a longer suspension.
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05-13-2019, 01:38 PM
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It all closes the point in the possible upcoming court case, If the horse was DQ Why was the jock not penalized.
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05-14-2019, 08:51 AM
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He was - 15 days.
But, a horse may be DQ'd for reason that do not involve the rider- say, bolting out, savaging.
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05-14-2019, 09:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom
He was - 15 days.
But, a horse may be DQ'd for reason that do not involve the rider- say, bolting out, savaging.
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Come on Tom, we can admit it now. Jorge Velasquez told Great Prospector to bite Golden Derby.
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05-15-2019, 02:55 PM
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Lost in the post-Derby argument about DQs was Monmouth's 10th race from this past Saturday, the Serena's Song.
A foul occuring before the stretch resulting in the takedown of the winner in favor of somebody not fouled isn't fair. The official "winner" didn't earn it, didn't deserve the purse money.
It only cost her a couple of lengths. She had plenty of time to come back if she was good enough. Too many horses on the track at the same time.
Last edited by FenceBored; 05-15-2019 at 02:59 PM.
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05-17-2019, 11:42 AM
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Can't believe the trainer of #2 claimed foul in the 1st at Pimlico. Seriously at least have a case to claim foul. Even the jock didn't claim foul. The 2 was the cause of any interference that did take place.
Last edited by fastfasterfastest; 05-17-2019 at 11:44 AM.
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05-17-2019, 11:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fastfasterfastest
Can't believe the trainer of #2 claimed foul in the 1st at Pimlico. Seriously at least have a case to claim foul. Even the jock didn't claim foul. The 2 was the cause of any interference that did take place.
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That was a frivolous claim of foul. I didn't bother watching the replays, but iirc from the live shot, the jockey of the 2 may have also made an annoying, dramatic over-reaction as his empty horse appeared to mildly brush the winner.
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