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Old 04-22-2017, 02:36 AM   #76
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he was basically paying the rake but i still didn't stray too far off my normal course in this game.

i'm considering going out again in august since i really enjoyed last year's trip.

good luck when you go. june will be here before we know it. are you still playing that local plo game??
Not often but when I get a free Saturday I'll go. Was there about 6 weeks ago and dropped $300 over 6 hours. It's a good game when one of the 5/5 whales stops in but sometimes it's just a bunch of grinders playing ABC. I'm not very good if no one is out of line or I'm not getting slapped in the face with amazing cards.
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Old 04-26-2017, 06:45 AM   #77
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serious poker hero call at borgata......

ok poker fans our excitement continues at the borgata where, despite grabbing a high hand, we've yet to pick up a game win on the trip.

we'll try one final time in a 3/6 game featuring two donkeys, one playing (but not raising) pretty much every hand.

in a continuing 2017 theme the game goes bad.

oh, we get some cards this time.

unfortunately though they're mostly high red ones that see low black flops.

with a 76 of spades from the hijack though we're looking for yet another low black flop after another raise from the blinds sweetens the pot.

flop: 972

i actually may have bet this flop..... i can't completely remember the action.

i do remember overcards on the turn and river checking around.... at least until the river (aforementioned donkey playing every hand) bet from the button.

everyone folds here, including apparently JJ, and i'm put to a serious poker decision here with my 76. i end up making the winning call and (gasp!!) becoming a threat to actually get back in the game!!

and what a game it is.

on a board of JT98X a man with KQ is raising back and forth against donkey number two who also must have KQ when it gets over $30 right?

eventually to "save time" KQ "just calls."

donkey #2 tables Qx !!

free lesson: NEVER....EVER.... "just call" with the nuts in limit hold em! (you're welcome)

anyhow, i'm supposedly back in the game but the "hot cards" now go cold and i'm mostly a spectator the rest of the way.

it's yet another loss at the borgata.

maybe i'll have better luck at harrah's??

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Old 05-01-2017, 07:42 PM   #78
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with a 76 of spades from the hijack though we're looking for yet another low black flop after another raise from the blinds sweetens the pot.

flop: 972

i actually may have bet this flop..... i can't completely remember the action.

i do remember overcards on the turn and river checking around.... at least until the river (aforementioned donkey playing every hand) bet from the button.

everyone folds here, including apparently JJ, and i'm put to a serious poker decision here with my 76. i end up making the winning call and (gasp!!) becoming a threat to actually get back in the game!!
I'm very interested in the exact action of this hand. Both in terms of how you ended up in the pot in the first place, and why the river call required any thought (maybe it didn't, I can't tell from the way you wrote it).
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Old 05-01-2017, 11:44 PM   #79
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I'm very interested in the exact action of this hand. Both in terms of how you ended up in the pot in the first place, and why the river call required any thought (maybe it didn't, I can't tell from the way you wrote it).
everyone limped, i limped, cutoff probably limped, button limped, one of the blinds raised, everyone called.

the "hero" call didn't require too much thought against the villain, although AT LEAST one better hand folded so...

like i said i can't completely remember the EXACT action as this game was all the way back on april 7th and i've been pretty busy since then. i do remember a lot of what happens in these games but not everything. even though i've been pretty much getting crushed every game, i'm still trying to type SOME reports to keep our forum at least somewhat active. i will try to type up a harrah's report later.

how are you doing? any positive results to keep up our faith in the game?
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everyone limped, i limped, cutoff probably limped, button limped, one of the blinds raised, everyone called.

the "hero" call didn't require too much thought against the villain, although AT LEAST one better hand folded so...

like i said i can't completely remember the EXACT action as this game was all the way back on april 7th and i've been pretty busy since then. i do remember a lot of what happens in these games but not everything. even though i've been pretty much getting crushed every game, i'm still trying to type SOME reports to keep our forum at least somewhat active. i will try to type up a harrah's report later.

how are you doing? any positive results to keep up our faith in the game?
76 suited is too weak to play in the hijack. The lowest suited connector that captures its fair share of equity in a multi way pot is 87s. The button can add enough EV to allow you to make looser calls, but in the hijack, 87s should be the weakest suited connector you play (unless you look to your left and see people folding).

I appreciate your reports. Don't worry if you don't have all the details.

I'm doing fine. Working, playing some 8-16 and not taking it seriously. I am just below even for the year but I haven't played a ton of hours. The player pool is just as terrible as it always is and I will be fine.
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not that long ago you were beating much tougher games opening 87s from early position?

there's that precipitous of a drop from 87s early to 76s (and 8+ handed) in the hijack?
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i know it's a different game and you have and need your loss leaders (and i don't) so i guess i'll look at it again. 65s is basically my cutoff there and you're correct that i don't have any proof that this hand is profitable for me but of course right now i'm getting curb stomped with much better than that, so....

since there's a good opportunity to get extra tier and reward credits this month i'm going to try and put in some solid hours and hopefully get back into some kind of contention.

i am sorry to disappoint the forum but the cards just aren't coming and for the first time my enjoyment of the game is starting to fade.

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Old 05-02-2017, 08:15 AM   #83
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i know it's a different game and you have and need your loss leaders (and i don't) so i guess i'll look at it again. 65s is basically my cutoff there and you're correct that i don't have any proof that this hand is profitable for me but of course right now i'm getting curb stomped with much better than that, so....

since there's a good opportunity to get extra tier and reward credits this month i'm going to try and put in some solid hours and hopefully get back into some kind of contention.

i am sorry to disappoint the forum but the cards just aren't coming and for the first time my enjoyment of the game is starting to fade.

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I'm not disappointed in you at all Prox. My only suggestion is to play less often with more cash on hand. Practice online and take it from there. I appreciate your updates and have read every one. Take care.
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Old 05-02-2017, 12:46 PM   #84
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not that long ago you were beating much tougher games opening 87s from early position?

there's that precipitous of a drop from 87s early to 76s (and 8+ handed) in the hijack?
It's 87 suited, prox. That makes all the difference. I wouldn't do it with 76 suited.

Think of it this way. The raise isn't that important. Let's say I open-limped 87 suited out of position. Now I end up in a 7 way pot, maybe someone else raises, maybe not. My 87 suited captures its fair share of equity, doesn't it?

Now change it to me raising. One of two things generally happens. Either the raise does not get respected, and I get into that same pot with my same fair share of equity. Or the raise gets respected, and I end up with a hand that I can represent as a big ace, broadway, or big pocket pair on the later streets.

Now, in the hands that I take down because people respect the raise and fold better hands, it doesn't matter whether I have 65 suited or 87 suited. But in the hands where I end up playing in a multi-way pot, it matters a lot, because 65 suited doesn't capture its fair share of equity and 87 suited does. So I should end up with a net loss on my 65 suited raises and a net win from my 87 suiteds, unless the table is so nitty that a lot of my raises get through and fold out my opponents.

The drop isn't "precipitous" so much as it is that the 7 is the lowest low card that results in a positive share of equity in a multi-way pot. T7 suited is the lowest two-gapper, 97 suited is the lowest one-gapper, and 87 suited is the lowest connector. Fool around with PokerStove and you will see this.

Now when I'm on the button I think I make up enough from playing last that I can overcome a hot-cold equity gap, so I will play more suited junk in multi-way pots. And in the cut-off, I can make the case for a bit of this too. But you are basically almost never going to act last limping in from the HJ in a loose 3-6 game. And out of position, I want an equity advantage.
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And here's a long 2+2 thread with a lot of math in which we discussed the issue about limping suited connectors:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-math-1306432/
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Old 05-03-2017, 04:08 AM   #86
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one night in paris??

ok poker fans we're back in exciting atlantic city, where after striking out at the borgata, we move over to harrah's.

i settle into a nice room at harrah's (i did have to pay a little for it) and head downstairs to check out the action.

it's friday night and you can feel a buzz of electricity generating around the pool where none other than paris hilton will be taking center stage in almost 24 hours.

i was going to grab a sandwich but the sub shop in the food court is being remodeled so i head straight for the poker room and jump in a fast moving 2-4 limit contest.

i buy the button to get in the game (you have to post) and look down at T4.

flop: t87

i bet, villain calls.

turn: 4.......

villain:77

stay at borgata, move to harrah's, wherever.... it just NEVER ends.

after multiple losses with top pair my boat's again drifting away from the shore. eventually i get back in the game with a flush that beats two sets but when a flopped two pair gets beat in back to back big blinds it's yet another loss in atlantic city.

the line's too long at bill's burgers and i forget i have a food credit for room service so i go to bed hungry. in the morning i decide to leave the harrah's donkeys to paris hilton and see if i have any luck over on the boardwalk.

next: a new low.

game -74 (2/4 lim)
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ok poker fans we're back in exciting atlantic city, where after striking out at the borgata, we move over to harrah's.

i settle into a nice room at harrah's (i did have to pay a little for it) and head downstairs to check out the action.

it's friday night and you can feel a buzz of electricity generating around the pool where none other than paris hilton will be taking center stage in almost 24 hours.

i was going to grab a sandwich but the sub shop in the food court is being remodeled so i head straight for the poker room and jump in a fast moving 2-4 limit contest.

i buy the button to get in the game (you have to post) and look down at T4.

flop: t87

i bet, villain calls.

turn: 4.......

villain:77

stay at borgata, move to harrah's, wherever.... it just NEVER ends.

after multiple losses with top pair my boat's again drifting away from the shore. eventually i get back in the game with a flush that beats two sets but when a flopped two pair gets beat in back to back big blinds it's yet another loss in atlantic city.

the line's too long at bill's burgers and i forget i have a food credit for room service so i go to bed hungry. in the morning i decide to leave the harrah's donkeys to paris hilton and see if i have any luck over on the boardwalk.

next: a new low.

game -74 (2/4 lim)
year -1280 (26-28)
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I'm willing to bet the 77 guy waited for the turn and saved you some money.
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Old 05-10-2017, 06:35 AM   #88
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cleaning up after things get messy???.....

ok poker fans we're back with more excitement from america's playground: atlantic city!!

0 for the borgata and harrah's we move our tack over to the boardwalk where we try to reverse our fortunes at bally's.

i grab a cup of coffee at the new bally's dunkin donuts and start down to the poker room where i'm just looking to have a relaxing afternoon of cards in this town. i don't have to hit the bad beat. or any high hands. just a nice relaxing afternoon. that's all i want poker fans.

instead things hit a new low when i stop at the poker bathroom and "courtesy flush" a toilet that spares my new pumas but overflows all over my jeans.
:b ang:

it's a disgusting scene but i clean up as best as i can and make it out to the car where i change into some new jeans in the back seat.

i shouldn't even play poker at this point. i mean REALLY how low can this poker tour get??

but inspired by the very spirit of this paceadvantage poker forum i WILL myself back to the card room and plop $200 down on a 2/4/6 limit table against another weak field.

with 53 from the big blind there are four small bets in the pot and we see a favorable (watching too many neeme vlogs?) flop of A53.

i bet and one villain (utg+1) calls.

turn: queen.

i bet, villain calls.

river: ace.

i check, villain checks and tables Q4 off suit.

at this point it seems that these hands are just going to follow me around the city. i might as well go back to the bathroom and wait for another dirty toilet to overflow on me. so much for a relaxing afternoon of poker.

fortunately though i launch a rally and overall i'm assisted by these horrible boardwalk chasers. a couple times an old "lady" that kinda looks like benny hill goes runner-runner on me but i slowly extend my lead towards the three digit mark.

in the end though another utg limper with 42 rivers my TT and then the game breaks with my stack only $37 ahead of its starting point. not exactly what i wanted but a great result for atlantic city!!

next: cheaters never prosper??

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bally's poker news flash......

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cheaters never prosper??...

ok poker fans we wrap up another exciting atlantic city trip with a stroll down the boardwalk to the tropicana.

in a shocker it's back to all rags as i spend almost an hour folding Q5 and K4 in a 246 limit contest.

although they rarely win a game now the phillies are absolutely pounding the washington nationals like 12-0 in the first inning on this night. i'm about to fall asleep but suddenly wake up when the tv skips over some porn channels on the way to a new game that some of my opponents may have a little action on.

anyhow i'm fading out but still watching the game like a hawk and when it's supposed to be my big blind but the dealer moves the button twice i play dumb, stay quiet, just toss out my small blind and look down at AA.

i feel bad for the big blind when i flop a set and turn a boat against his turned flush but i take no prisoners and pound him without mercy. and when i get AA again in the very next hand i win another one to suddenly move ahead for the game!!!

unfortunately though that's all the winning i do and up $11 i head back down to my car at bally's where i'm too depressed to go straight to my car and end up at a blackjack table. this is a sure sign that it's time to call 1-800-gambler but hey, it's saturday night in atlantic city.

an hour later i'm down three digits and cursing myself for not heading straight to the garage.

when i move to third base though i begin a rally and notice a redbird laying on the floor at my feet. i know the eye in the sky is watching us all but please kick me out of atlantic city for picking up this casino property.... PLEASE!!

i hide the chip under my foot for a round or two and eventually make my move when i reach down to "tie my shoe."

i add the chip to my normal bet, get a blackjack, and slip to the cage with a pink chip of profits for my troubles!!

thank you for reading!

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