Moreno wins the Whitney?

[Mineshaft]

holy batman wonder what will come out of Guillot's mouth now

[Tom]

I think his jock used a buzzer.

[iceknight]

Irrespective of the trainer's shenanigans the horse deserves a word of Congrats.
it would be classic if California Chrome's owner (the one who runs his mouth) get Guillot as a trainer for one of their future horses

[Rex Phinney]

That race was a basket of cats. The field looked pretty solid before hand and in the end you have to wonder how good it can be if Moreno wins a $1,500,000 race.

[classhandicapper]

Moreno ran well in the Suburban even though the race came up on the slow side. He was used wide from the outside post in a fast pace at 10F on a day that was arguably a GR day. Shaking loose in pretty even fractions on a day that was probably tilted mildly towards the inside was quite a flip flop in trips for him. But I think he mostly won because Will Take Charge hasn't been as sharp lately and Palice Malice didn't fire yesterday.

[cj]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

...that was probably tilted mildly towards the inside ...

I have no idea how you could possibly draw that conclusion. Probably tilted mildly? What does that even mean?

I see absolutely no evidence that the inside was any advantage other than being the shortest path to the wire.

[nijinski]

Job well done by Moreno yesterday . He seems to like the Spa . Looking
back at his Travers there last year which was a very brave effort !

Connections had him ready in what turned out to be likely an emotional
roller coaster ride type of day for them .

[JustRalph]

I like him......

He goes to the front and says come and catch me.........

real racehorse. Maybe not the most successful strategy, but given his talent, why not?

I don't care about the connections. The horse is closing in on 2 million bucks. Good for them..........

In this day of "taking back" "race riding" and over thinking a race with Jocks who and trainers who seem to hurt themselves more than ever, I welcome some real race horses. This guy is a real front running race horse who has taken advantage when he could. I wish there were fifty more like him.........

[Smarty Cide]

Palice Malice tanked even more proof California Chrome will win the Classic... yeah i said it

[Tom]

Good horse or horse for course?
Or a bunch of lackeys behind him?
I've seen a lot of crappy horses win this year and all they had going for them was a good race here last year.

[martini]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

That race was a basket of cats. The field looked pretty solid before hand and in the end you have to wonder how good it can be if Moreno wins a $1,500,000 race.

Agreed. Congrats to everyone who used Moreno, but I had a hard time using a lifetime winner of two starts in that spot, even with the good workouts. That they let him coast on the front in easy fractions was odd.

I think this is the year to bet three-year-olds against older in the coming months. Really, if the best of the older group are the likes of Moonshine Mulllin and Moreno, the sport is ripe for a takeover by the younger cats.

[cj]

Everybody keeps saying the fractions were easy, but the really weren't in my opinion. For Moreno, they were solid. But what horses in the field were expected to keep up with him early? I don't really see any, not without being doomed to an up the track finish.

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by Tom

Good horse or horse for course?
Or a bunch of lackeys behind him?
I've seen a lot of crappy horses win this year and all they had going for them was a good race here last year.

I always play Saratoga by finding a horse who ran well here last year. Don't know what it is but lately it seems to play as a one off kind of track.

I was all in on WTC for this reason yesterday, but I'm a dumbass and forgot about Moreno's success there.

Remember Stay Thirsty? He looked like a world beater at Saratoga.

[Trips]

Race fractions were roughly 23.60-23.80-23.80-24.0
The above fractions show very little deceleration. If the pace was solid there would have been more.
They look more likely to come from a turf race than a dirt race.

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by cj

Everybody keeps saying the fractions were easy, but the really weren't in my opinion. For Moreno, they were solid. But what horses in the field were expected to keep up with him early? I don't really see any, not without being doomed to an up the track finish.

I agree, the first six furlongs was 1:11 and change, that IMO is not exactly jogging in a 9 furlong race. He won by space too, so it's not like he held on by a whisker because he got a break on the lead.