ValueCapper

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by Partsnut

You should be getting 10-1 on this horse but you would have to beat the (1)
My Point Exactly

Value is one's perception. I don't perceive much value here.
Just my opinion with no fault intended.

and finished 2nd behind the that #1 had a real hard race coming off a layoff which doesn't bode well for an odds on chalk. That was my perception of value in this race. Got my 18.60 to place X5 there and made a little profit.

What really shocks me is yall didn't bet that 3 down so no one could bet it , it went off at 20-1 only needed 10-1

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by Partsnut

The (3) placed and ran a good race. Nice handicapping job for you and Valuecapper.

Appreciate that Partsnut. I probably don't bet that #3 had there not been what in my opinion was a flawed favorite. Didn't think he would get an easly lead here like he did in his last before fading, plus a hard last race, plus 8YO

[mikesal57]

Originally Posted by mhaney0423

and finished 2nd behind the that #1 had a real hard race coming off a layoff which doesn't bode well for an odds on chalk. That was my perception of value in this race. Got my 18.60 to place X5 there and made a little profit.

What really shocks me is yall didn't bet that 3 down so no one could bet it , it went off at 20-1 only needed 10-1

Yeah ....20-1

Wheres all the people betting your horse.....????

The VC group dont have a freaking clue what they are doing ....
so go hurt the guy that is


Mike

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by mikesal57

Yeah ....20-1

Wheres all the people betting your horse.....????

The VC group dont have a freaking clue what they are doing ....
so go hurt the guy that is


Mike

Probably he woulda gone off at 60-1!!

[Partsnut]

Originally Posted by mikesal57

Yeah ....20-1

Wheres all the people betting your horse.....????

The VC group dont have a freaking clue what they are doing ....
so go hurt the guy that is


Mike

Mike,


It's one thing if you have a great tool and are smart enough to use it to your advantage. It's another thing to have this tool at ones disposal but as you said, doesn't have a clue as how to interpret what it is capable of doing or how to use it.

There is no magic bullet at any price. You have to do the work.
Taking all this into account, and in my humble opinion, there are some products that are better then others. Of course, this also depends on what ones pocket book dictates. Some might be considered to be ridiculously priced and others not. The potential user once again has to perceive value and decide whether the tool he contemplates purchasing can get him to where he wants to be, is worth the price he is willing to pay for it, and will dedicate himself to achieving a positive result. All this with no guarantees that success will ever be achieved.

As with most things, different strokes for different folks.


I'll end by quoting one of my favorite comedians.
Jackie Mason " It shouldn't be a total loss."

[mhaney0423]

Got beat out of place by a nose at 21-1 on that at SA, such is life, basically broke even today.

[Speed Figure]

Originally Posted by Partsnut

You should be getting 10-1 on this horse but you would have to beat the (1)
My Point Exactly

Value is one's perception. I don't perceive much value here.
Just my opinion with no fault intended.

The old school figline still working...

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by Partsnut

Mike,


It's one thing if you have a great tool and are smart enough to use it to your advantage. It's another thing to have this tool at ones disposal but as you said, doesn't have a clue as how to interpret what it is capable of doing or how to use it.

There is no magic bullet at any price. You have to do the work.
Taking all this into account, and in my humble opinion, there are some products that are better then others. Of course, this also depends on what ones pocket book dictates. Some might be considered to be ridiculously priced and others not. The potential user once again has to perceive value and decide whether the tool he contemplates purchasing can get him to where he wants to be, is worth the price he is willing to pay for it, and will dedicate himself to achieving a positive result. All this with no guarantees that success will ever be achieved.

As with most things, different strokes for different folks.


I'll end by quoting one of my favorite comedians.
Jackie Mason " It shouldn't be a total loss."

Sharp post Partsnut,

All too often software makes better odds look better when the shorter price ultimately wins. The ability to use a tool and decide the race will not pay and be correct more than not is key to survival in this game.

[Partsnut]

Originally Posted by Speed Figure

The old school figline still working...

Absolutely.

At the time I bought it from Gordon Pine, It was somewhere around $30.00.
This in itself was a value. Using the right set of numbers with it would be, and in my opinion, just as good or not better then some very expensive software.

It was tough for me to get it working with Windows 10 but I did.
I am not sure as to what Gordon's status is as of this post.
With that all said and done, I will venture a test of value selections at tonight's EVD 06-20-20 race card. I used a specific, very inexpensive software's numbers that has been recently mentioned on this board and indicated the value odds on the races that are listed. Judging from what I see, they seem to be very valid and capable of producing a positive ROI.


P.S. Steve (Fast4522), thanks for you kind comment.



Please view the attached file.

[oughtoh]

Partsnut Is this a software program that gave you this? It looks pretty cool.

[Speed Figure]

Looks like BetMix.

[Partsnut]

Originally Posted by Speed Figure

Looks like BetMix.

You're right again. Actually that's my primary application. I doctored it up with my recommenced bets. However, the numbers I am using on this card comes from a different application but from what I can see, the numbers that I used, more or less coincides with my projections from BetMix and that's a good thing.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by mikesal57

I wouldn't be surprised if it was someone here that posted . He has a knack of destroying good things....if it interferes with his so called " prominent " business....

Please elaborate.

I am VERY interested in hearing more detailed thoughts on this.

[harry31]

Hello
Answering your requested i have tested many software programs over the years. Old programs like Aodds and Thoromation were excellent will never be replicated. Today in 2021 Allways software is far superior to any other software on the market. Files are not cheap but then you only get what you pay for.

Cheers

Harry31

[mhaney0423]

Originally Posted by harry31

Hello
Answering your requested i have tested many software programs over the years. Old programs like Aodds and Thoromation were excellent will never be replicated. Today in 2021 Allways software is far superior to any other software on the market. Files are not cheap but then you only get what you pay for.

Cheers

Harry31

This is highly debatable and subjective, IMHO Allways or anything available from Bris is one of the worst softwares available in 2021. I believe Valuecapper is the best software FOR ME and how I have learned to play the game, but what works for me may be worthless in the hands of another. I also have found that most of these softwares have a huge learning curve of at least 1 year, so you would have to test something at least that long to bear fruit. That being said, I have not used Allways since the late 1990'2 early 2000's, I never had a winning season with it. There are only three pieces of software that I have personally had any success with, Equisim, HTR and Valuecapper and I have used many of them, but no where near all of them.