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Old 05-10-2017, 09:50 PM   #1471
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No,the double post was accidental.And it was not a question, as I recall it was more of an observation. You said "America was not founded on the Constitution. America is founded on the idea contained in the Declaration of Independence that men have inalienable rights from a Creator God." So yes I certainly did assume that their conception of a creator God had a Judaeo- Christian underpinning.And I am well aware that some were Deist but Deism also has social/cultural linkage to Christianity.OK you say they supported slavery so maybe they were white supremacist.This infers that you would also say maybe the KKK are white supremacist. Interesting that you bring up the revolutionary war and its causes.How often do you think the actual reasons for wars are recorded in the history books of the countries INVOLVED in the conflict? Prior to 1776, anti-slavery sentiments were deepening throughout Britain and in the Caribbean. The colonist were making fortunes and their entire economy was dependent on slavery.The so-called Revolutionary War, was in part a counter-revolution, a conservative movement that the founding fathers fought in order to preserve their right to enslave others for monetary profit.So Yes I submit that the evidence supports my observation that their true religion was white supremacy and their true God was Money.Of course due to their "education" [indoctrination] my observation will cause cognitive dissonance and be rejected my most Americans,but that does not refute its veracity.

Why would it be interesting I bought up the Revolutionary war? That is the war for independence, declared by the Declaration of Independence i.e. the reasons for the revolt against Britain.

Also, why would you believe that I would say that the KKK founded by the southern dems may be white supremacists? They are white supremacists by their own admissions.

More so, not all the original colonies economies were dependent on slavery. Slavery was prominent in the Southern colonies, which grew and exported cotton, tobacco, etc., to Britain. The same Britain which made a fortune shipping slaves to their American colonies.

FYI the Northern colonies instigated for independence, the Southern colonies were pretty satisfied with the status quo.

But you have your opinion.
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John 20:1-2
Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb. 2 And so she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and WE do not know where they have laid Him."
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So tell me...did Mary M have a mouse in her pocket when she found Peter and John to break the news to them? Who is WE?
A contradiction within a contradiction. Contradiction squared.

You are aware, are you not, that the Gospel According to John was written by a church committee? Two guys did not coordinate well.
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But Boxcar considers this a "misinterpretation". And BOXCAR makes the rules in this thread.
Ohhh...THAT'S a misinterpretation...but his Trinity in the OT ISN'T a misinterpretation...

Like I said, not only is he crazy, but he's a laugh riot.
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Old 05-10-2017, 11:07 PM   #1474
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In reality, there are no such things as "inalienable rights" imbued into humans from gods or any other sources...there are ONLY ARBITRARY AGREEMENTS ABOUT RIGHTS said to be possessed by humans, made by human dictates and formalized into parchments which we call "Laws"....

"Rights" are immaterial...hence, they cannot be proven to exist in any shape or material form...they are "ghosts" in the minds of certain segments of humanity, that last for a certain duration, that pass in and out of their fancy...
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In reality, there are no such things as "inalienable rights" imbued into humans from gods or any other sources...there are ONLY ARBITRARY AGREEMENTS ABOUT RIGHTS said to be possessed by humans, made by human dictates and formalized into parchments which we call "Laws"....

"Rights" are immaterial...hence, they cannot be proven to exist in any shape or material form...they are "ghosts" in the minds of certain segments of humanity, that last for a certain duration, that pass in and out of their fancy...
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Excellent post!
Yes, excellent posts.

Obviously, you disagree with the court rulings stopping Pres. Trump's ban. The Muslims have no right to come into the country based on religion.

Thanks to you and Vigors for proving why atheist should not be electable, as they don't believe in the fundamental idea of America that men have inalienable rights.
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Yes, excellent posts.

Obviously, you disagree with the court rulings stopping Pres. Trump's ban. The Muslims have no right to come into the country based on religion.

Thanks to you and Vigors for proving why atheist should not be electable, as they don't believe in the fundamental idea of America that men have inalienable rights.
I call them as I see them..you prefer to call them as you don't see them...For me it is a matter of intellectual taste...I prefer fact over fancy...
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I call them as I see them..you prefer to call them as you don't see them...For me it is a matter of intellectual taste...I prefer fact over fancy...
I prefer individual rights that are guaranteed and elected officials who will respect them. I don't prefer the politburo approach, which your dream of no god supports.

BTW were is the factual proof you claim? Maybe you are the delusional one, who believes in fairy tales.
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Vigors,

Who is more delusional, someone proclaiming an opinion as a fact or someone stating an opinion as a personal belief.

Care to guess which scenario applies to you?
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Vigors,

Who is more delusional, someone proclaiming an opinion as a fact or someone stating an opinion as a personal belief.

Care to guess which scenario applies to you?
I am not a communist or a socialist or a nihilist or an atheist or any other characterization that folks like to bandy about...I simply AM, I AM THAT I AM...

It is impossible to prove a negative...those claiming rights to be an positive, objective fact have the burden of proving their opinions...
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READ CAREFULLY: JESUS NEVER SAID THAT GOD IS WITHIN YOU. This is your first lie.
Original translation in Greek is ἐντος meaning “within”.
According to google translate from Greek to English:
ἐντος =“Within”,”in”,”into”,”inside”.

Jesus would be contradicting himself if he said "It's not here or there, its in our midst”. If it’s in our midst then it IS here or there. Jesus is saying it is not observable externally because it is within.

Corinthians 3:16 corroborates this: Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

John4:12 If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

John 4:16 God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.


Jesus says the same thing in the Gospel of Thomas The Kingdom is inside you

If God is everywhere, then he is within us as well. If he is NOT within us, he is NOT everywhere and does not qualify as God.

It does not make God less Divine to be within his “enemies”, the Pharisees, whom Jesus spoke these words to. Jesus said “Love your enemies”. So God being within his enemies is in line with Jesus's words regarding those who did not believe in him. He came to save ALL humanity.

You fear that you won’t go to a physical Heaven. That if the Kingdom is within you, you'd have no clue how to access it.

That would require “work”, and “growth” rather than mere “words”.
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Science V – Time and Space

Newtonian mechanics (A.K.A. Galilean mechanics) seems almost intuitive. An observer standing on a railroad platform see two trains approaching, one from the east and one from the west. By some means the observer measures the approaching velocity of both trains and finds that the east train is approaching at 100 km/hr and the west train is approaching at 80 km/hr. He himself is standing still.

The engineer of the east train sees the west train approaching at 180 km/hr while the platform is approaching at 100 km/hr. The engineer of the west train sees the east train approaching at 180 km/hr while the platform is approaching at 80 km/hr. All these numbers add up: 100 + 80 = 180. Of course each observer assigns these numbers to different things, east train, west train, platform, but the numbers always add up.

This also works if we measure the speed of sound waves, with one proviso. Whereas the observer on the platform and the two engineers in the previous example each had their own frame of reference, with sound waves there is a “privileged frame of reference,” namely the medium, i.e., the atmosphere, through which sound travels. Within this privileged frame of reference the speed of sound is always the same. (+ or – slight variations due to barometric pressure and humidity.)

Sound is a wave and so is light (according to the wave model). This lead 19th century scientists to speculate that there was a privileged frame of reference for light, some sort of medium in which light was waving. They named this medium the aether. If this model was true then the earth must be moving through the aether, changing direction during the year. In 1887 two physicists, Michelson and Morley, tried to detect the aether (using a rather ingenious device) and failed.

In 1905 Einstein explained this failure with his Special Theory of Relativity. Einstein’s model states that (1)there is no aether and (2)the speed of light is constant for all observers in any frame of reference. I.e., there is no privileged frame of reference, all frames of reference are equal. This has implications for our perceptions of both time and space. Two observers in different frames of reference, frames that are moving with respect to one another, will observe different time intervals between the same two events. Furthermore, each will observe a different size and shape of the same object. These phenomena have been experimentally verified. If you own a GPS the computer program within it takes these phenomena into account and corrects for them.

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I prefer individual rights that are guaranteed ...
By man made laws? Or do you require that they come directly from God?
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I don't prefer the politburo approach, which your dream of no god supports.
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I am not a communist or a socialist or a nihilist or an atheist or any other characterization that folks like to bandy about...I simply AM, I AM THAT I AM...

It is impossible to prove a negative...those claiming rights to be an positive, objective fact have the burden of proving their opinions...
First, the post you quoted above had nothing to do with rights. It had to do with your insistence that your opinion, there is no God as a fact.

Second, factually the idea of inalienable rights is stated in the Declaration of Indepedence and memoralized in the Bill of Rights. Those are provable objective facts.

Nothing you have posted in this discussion has come close to being an objective fact, they are just rantings.
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By man made laws? Or do you require that they come directly from God?
Non sequitur.
Look up the word "inalienable".
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