Oprah 2020

[Parkview_Pirate]

Originally Posted by jocko699

I completely agree but I think of it from a standpoint of weapons for the militia and those individuals so I may be biased.

As a gun owner myself, I can't say that Trump winning didn't take a bit of the heat off, at least from a psychological point of view.

But do you really think that if Hillary would have won, and even if the Dems had a majority in the House and/or Senate, that more gun control measures (or confiscation) would have happened? The puppet masters know the time isn't ripe for that, in my opinion, though it does seem to be getting closer.

In any event, when it happens, I don't believe the office of the President is where we'll find relief. Congress, the DoD, police forces, the Guard, etc., will all have to align for further restrictions. I freely admit, I'm not sure how that plays out, but Trump being "pro-gun" does not provide me with any greater sense of insulation from the gun-grabbers.

[woodtoo]

Originally Posted by Parkview_Pirate

Ah, well if you think Trump is "off" the strings and acting on his own, I guess we'll just have to disagree about that.

Had Hillary won, we might be at war with the Russians by now, but as for any other differences, let's get the microscope out to see if we can find anything...

This is the calm before the storm

[jocko699]

Originally Posted by Parkview_Pirate

As a gun owner myself, I can't say that Trump winning didn't take a bit of the heat off, at least from a psychological point of view.

But do you really think that if Hillary would have won, and even if the Dems had a majority in the House and/or Senate, that more gun control measures (or confiscation) would have happened? The puppet masters know the time isn't ripe for that, in my opinion, though it does seem to be getting closer.

In any event, when it happens, I don't believe the office of the President is where we'll find relief. Congress, the DoD, police forces, the Guard, etc., will all have to align for further restrictions. I freely admit, I'm not sure how that plays out, but Trump being "pro-gun" does not provide me with any greater sense of insulation from the gun-grabbers.

The people will be heard if needed. That's all I am saying.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Parkview_Pirate

I view Obama's executive orders on the scale of "small fry", intended to distract and divide on issues that were hardly important. Feel free to name one that affected a large number of Americans, or affected the status quo in any significant way.

The administration's excesses in implementing Obamacare certain qualify. As does the insanity of the Obama EPA war on coal and other fossil fuels.

The president's primary job is to carry out and enforce the laws passed by Congress. The president isn't supposed to have any "real power" other than that enumerated in the Constitution:

Section 2.

The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

Obama and his administration, particularly Justice, the IRA, and HHS, went way beyond anything permitted in that language. Trump, to his credit thus far, has acted within his constitutional powers and deferred to the legal powers of Congress.

[Parkview_Pirate]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The administration's excesses in implementing Obamacare certain qualify. As does the insanity of the Obama EPA war on coal and other fossil fuels.

The president's primary job is to carry out and enforce the laws passed by Congress. The president isn't supposed to have any "real power" other than that enumerated in the Constitution:

Obama and his administration, particularly Justice, the IRA, and HHS, went way beyond anything permitted in that language. Trump, to his credit thus far, has acted within his constitutional powers and deferred to the legal powers of Congress.

Obama redirected some funding for states "reinsurance" of Obamacare, if I recall, which in the overall scheme of things was very, very small compared to the overall impact of the law, which CONgress passed. Chicken feed.

Obama's war on coal, offshore drilling, and other environmental mandates had a negative impact on the economy, no doubt. But, in my opinion, small compared to his support of the impact of the ACA, his lack of economic planning, and his foreign policy disasters - all of which will have much greater and longer-lasting negative effects on our economy, versus closing down a handful of mines in West Virginia.

I would agree that Obama, the guy who was going to give us the most transparent administration "ever", failed big time, and his justice department was anything but. However, the extension of Patriot Act, and other laws passed by CONgress, were far greater in the magnitude of the erosion of our freedoms. Obama simply carried forward the policies of Bush II, and from that perspective it's my opinion he's just a puppet.

Read past the headlines, dig into the details, and the only differences between administrations are cosmetic, of little importance, and engineered to promote the illusion of a representative republic. Which, we ain't.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Parkview_Pirate

Obama redirected some funding for states "reinsurance" of Obamacare, if I recall, which in the overall scheme of things was very, very small compared to the overall impact of the law, which CONgress passed. Chicken feed.

Obama's war on coal, offshore drilling, and other environmental mandates had a negative impact on the economy, no doubt. But, in my opinion, small compared to his support of the impact of the ACA, his lack of economic planning, and his foreign policy disasters - all of which will have much greater and longer-lasting negative effects on our economy, versus closing down a handful of mines in West Virginia.

I would agree that Obama, the guy who was going to give us the most transparent administration "ever", failed big time, and his justice department was anything but. However, the extension of Patriot Act, and other laws passed by CONgress, were far greater in the magnitude of the erosion of our freedoms. Obama simply carried forward the policies of Bush II, and from that perspective it's my opinion he's just a puppet.

Read past the headlines, dig into the details, and the only differences between administrations are cosmetic, of little importance, and engineered to promote the illusion of a representative republic. Which, we ain't.

Nor do we DESERVE to be.

Just as our Presidents are "puppets", so are we the citizens...who have "fallen asleep at the wheel"...while the "powers-that-be" easily control us by pressing our "patriotic" buttons, whenever they want to pull the wool over our eyes.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Who was the last "intellectually-deep thinker" to vie for the presidency of our country?

Abe Lincoln.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

Oprah also begat Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil two useless clowns who have a lot of influence on housewives, most guys can't stand those two.

The dems have outlined a brilliant recovery plan in all of this - build an army of brain-dead idiot zombies and spend three years teaching to do one thing - go and vote.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by jocko699

The people will be heard if needed. That's all I am saying.

See, now on the left, that translates to the people will be herded if needed.

[BaffertsWig]

Originally Posted by Tom

The dems have outlined a brilliant recovery plan in all of this - build an army of brain-dead idiot zombies and spend three years teaching to do one thing - go and vote.

Ahhh, taking a page out of the ol' Republican't playbook. I'd venture to guess the average IQ of Trump voters is sub-100.

[Tom]

Amazing how all those dummies managed to get to be the evil wealthy.
And beat Hillary - the anointed one!

[Tom]

Trump was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
Oprah was born with a pork chop in hers.
And she is still gnawing on the bone.

She certainly hangs out with some very seedy and racist people.
Do we really need another racist supporter in the WH?

[Tom]

Oh my!

[Tom]

One has to wonder, is HARVEY responsible for Oprah's success?
Did she "cooperate" with him to get where she is today?
What better way for the dems to continue their war on women than to put Harvey in DC!

She certainly is chummy chummy with the guy...in cahoots, or just too stupid to know??? Questions voters have to ask.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by Tom

Oh my!

Everyone dies.....eventually.