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02-20-2019, 10:37 AM
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At mnr, I've seen huge days actually backfire on jocks. The top riders clear considerably more money than the vast majority of trainers, which I suspect sparks resentment from horsemen. And in a somewhat cloistered backstretch community, certain agents maintain such inexplicably strong grips on certain horsemen, that, quite the opposite of jumping on a hot jock's bandwagon, lots of trainers behave like devoted spouses whose every word and mannerism sends the standoffish signal: "Get lost. I'm spoken for."
In fact, I could name several riders whose business clearly DECREASED in the immediate aftermath of a dominant day.
Last edited by mountainman; 02-20-2019 at 10:43 AM.
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02-21-2019, 09:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainman
At mnr, I've seen huge days actually backfire on jocks. The top riders clear considerably more money than the vast majority of trainers, which I suspect sparks resentment from horsemen. And in a somewhat cloistered backstretch community, certain agents maintain such inexplicably strong grips on certain horsemen, that, quite the opposite of jumping on a hot jock's bandwagon, lots of trainers behave like devoted spouses whose every word and mannerism sends the standoffish signal: "Get lost. I'm spoken for."
In fact, I could name several riders whose business clearly DECREASED in the immediate aftermath of a dominant day.
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why would business decrease?maybe the riders dont want to ride mules in west virginia but at bigger tracks those jocks would be in high demand.
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02-22-2019, 11:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sour grapes
why would business decrease?maybe the riders dont want to ride mules in west virginia but at bigger tracks those jocks would be in high demand.
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And to think, I was actually skeptical of reputation points......
Last edited by mountainman; 02-22-2019 at 11:05 PM.
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03-02-2019, 05:19 PM
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PA Steward
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Originally Posted by mountainman
And to think, I was actually skeptical of reputation points......
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There you go! See, a convert!
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03-23-2019, 03:30 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Location: Moore, OK
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Irad misjudged the finish at FG today, really bad look. He has ridden there before and it was a 6f race, not the alternate finish line they use at times.
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03-23-2019, 03:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Irad misjudged the finish at FG today, really bad look. He has ridden there before and it was a 6f race, not the alternate finish line they use at times.
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Do you think it mattered in the outcome? It looked bad but I’m wondering if the result would’ve been the same regardless.
I imagine the Irad haters are having a field day on twitter.
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03-23-2019, 06:19 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Originally Posted by Dahossdaboss
Do you think it mattered in the outcome? It looked bad but I’m wondering if the result would’ve been the same regardless.
I imagine the Irad haters are having a field day on twitter.
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It might have. I'm not going to crucify a guy for making a mistake, but he should be suspended and probably fined too.
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03-23-2019, 06:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
It might have. I'm not going to crucify a guy for making a mistake, but he should be suspended and probably fined too.
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it also forces them to look at all the betting patterns a little closer, not that I think there is any of that but they need to due their due diligence.
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03-24-2019, 06:42 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Location: Moore, OK
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Originally Posted by GMB@BP
it also forces them to look at all the betting patterns a little closer, not that I think there is any of that but they need to due their due diligence.
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$500 fine is the result. #HorseRacing
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03-26-2019, 11:27 AM
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as far as to the talents of a jock, the consensus is that even a talented jock can not consistently outperform the better ability horses in a horse race.
i worked for a trainer for a short time on the back stretch, as a hot walker, and i remember him saying to a hot bug boy that lost his app. weight allowance, he wasn't getting good mounts anymore because he lost his "bug".
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