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10-28-2018, 10:45 PM
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Just another Facist
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Hey Libs....read and learn,,,,,,
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10-28-2018, 10:50 PM
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But but Russia
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10-28-2018, 10:57 PM
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Veteran
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Can we vote California and New York off this island?
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10-29-2018, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
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Can't we just find a way to credit Obama with the economy-stimulating and job-creating tax cuts and be done with it, already? In the interest of promoting peace, unity, civility and goodwill, giving credit, even where it's not due, would keep our liberal brethren mindlessly giddy.
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10-29-2018, 09:57 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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10-29-2018, 10:13 AM
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so you think job growth is a good thing? what about all the social programs needed for disadvantaged?
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10-29-2018, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by davew
so you think job growth is a good thing? what about all the social programs needed for disadvantaged?
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Yeah...plus anyone with a half a brain knows that welfare checks, unemployment checks, food stamps, etc., etc. contribute far more to the economy than does job growth. If you doubt me, ask Auntie Nancy.
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10-29-2018, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
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Wow, low taxes promote job growth! Who would have thunk it, other than any economist with a lick of sense.
But wait, tariffs are taxes! Does that mean that tariffs don't promote job growth, other than in a very few protected industries?
Nah, The Donald says that those specific taxes are good for us, so it must be true.
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10-29-2018, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
Wow, low taxes promote job growth! Who would have thunk it, other than any economist with a lick of sense.
But wait, tariffs are taxes! Does that mean that tariffs don't promote job growth, other than in a very few protected industries?
Nah, The Donald says that those specific taxes are good for us, so it must be true.
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Taxes are mandatory....consumers don't have to purchase goods that have tariffs. They have other options.....a different product that serves the same purpose, repair the product instead of replacing it, wait for it to go on sale or make a trade. Or, simply just don't purchase. In the case of President Trump's tariffs.....wait until the negotiations are completed before purchasing or simply buy American. Keep the money in America and give an American a job.
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10-29-2018, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by incoming
Taxes are mandatory....consumers don't have to purchase goods that have tariffs. They have other options.....
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Not true.
America can only produce about 2/3 of the lumber we use, most of the rest comes from Canada. Trump's tariffs on Canadian lumber have added about $6000 to the cost of the average single family home. What is the option for a new home buyer?
An Alcoa subsidiary processes aluminum ore in Canada before it is shipped to the US for final production. Alcoa has to pay tariffs on imports from its own subsidiary, and pass them on to consumers. What is the option for customer of Alcoa and other aluminum companies?
American steel producers have raised prices under the protection of tariffs on imported steel. What are the options of companies that use steel as an input to their production, or to the customers of those companies?
To the extent that consumers can avoid tariffs by purchasing American made goods, or be forced to by economics, Trump's own campaign people pre-election said that such tariffs would add 10-15% to the cost of living of the average American. None of the "other options" to tariffs are economically beneficial.
I for one would rather have the choice.
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10-29-2018, 10:57 PM
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I would rather have a viable middle class with meaningful jobs for family, neighbors, and other Americans. After the dust settles with lower trade deficits we will have extra billions if not trillions for politicians to squander away.
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10-29-2018, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by incoming
I would rather have a viable middle class with meaningful jobs for family, neighbors, and other Americans.
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It ain't gonna happen. Reality once again raises its ugly head. First, how many people make a decision about a purchase based on price, and how many based on whether it is produced domestically or off-shore?
Second, over 85% of the manufacturing jobs eliminated in this country in the last 10 years or so were lost to automation, not to foreign competition. Tariffs ain't gonna fix that.
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10-29-2018, 11:17 PM
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Buckle Up
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Originally Posted by Clocker
It ain't gonna happen. Reality once again raises its ugly head. First, how many people make a decision about a purchase based on price, and how many based on whether it is produced domestically or off-shore?
Second, over 85% of the manufacturing jobs eliminated in this country in the last 10 years or so were lost to automation, not to foreign competition. Tariffs ain't gonna fix that.
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Oh Clocker, is this another "horse and buggy whip" story of obsolescence when autos started being mass produced?....Old thinking and archaic conclusions lead to nowhere, but everyone's entitled to their opinions, no matter what..
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10-29-2018, 11:22 PM
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Automation will increase jobs....up range and down range. Someone has to make and maintain the robots. Automation will increase the need for more raw materials for the robots and for distribution after products are manufactured..... thus, lower prices worldwide. DUCK......here comes the SPACE FORCE.
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10-30-2018, 09:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clocker
Wow, low taxes promote job growth! Who would have thunk it, other than any economist with a lick of sense.
But wait, tariffs are taxes! Does that mean that tariffs don't promote job growth, other than in a very few protected industries?
Nah, The Donald says that those specific taxes are good for us, so it must be true.
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No he doesn't and you know it. Trump says that tariffs are a means to an end, which is prosperity for America. Trump has never said, nor does he believe, that tariffs are anything more than a negotiating tool. Any other description of his total view on the subject of tariffs is due to your subjective view of his intent.
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