Jockeys Don't Make a Difference

[Cratos]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

The jockey sure made the difference on my pick, Oscar Nominated, in the Woodford...thanks Mike Smith

Could you have been any wider around both turns despite sitting practically last through much of the race? And oh yeah, the horse who won, who was back there with you, managed not to be 6 wide around both turns...and that's why he won and you lost.

I didn't bet the Woodford, but I will echo an old saying about jockeys: "jockeys can't make a horse win, but hey can make a horse lose".

[Dahoss9698]

I thought CD favored the inside for much of Friday and Saturday. Which makes the fact most riders avoided the rail during the Derby all the more bizarre.

Kudos to Corey Lanerie for getting it, he rode a fantastic race. Joel Rosario also put up a phenomenal ride somehow getting to the rail from the 19 post before the first turn.

[mannyberrios]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

That's fine. There are a lot of ways to make money in this game. And I don't think having a discussion means obsessing. I mean can't you factor something into your equation without obsessing? I know I can.

Here's my point in a nutshell. If I like a horse and I see someone like Eric Cancel up, I think twice about making my bet. If I see Castellano up I have no hesitation. If I see a rider switch to someone like Castellano over someone like Leparoux I run to the window. I didn't use to do that but years and years of extensive replay watching has led me there.

I think you absolutely have to factor a riders style into the equation nowadays considering the horse they are riding. In the past, even if Pat "wait all" Day was on a speed horse you could count on him sending. He wouldn't try and force a horse to adjust to his style. Today's riders do that. If I like a speed horse and Irad Ortiz is up I hesitate because I cannot count on him sending.

That post is perfect. Couldn't have said it better

[EasyGoer89]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

That's fine. There are a lot of ways to make money in this game. And I don't think having a discussion means obsessing. I mean can't you factor something into your equation without obsessing? I know I can.

Here's my point in a nutshell. If I like a horse and I see someone like Eric Cancel up, I think twice about making my bet. If I see Castellano up I have no hesitation. If I see a rider switch to someone like Castellano over someone like Leparoux I run to the window. I didn't use to do that but years and years of extensive replay watching has led me there.

I think you absolutely have to factor a riders style into the equation nowadays considering the horse they are riding. In the past, even if Pat "wait all" Day was on a speed horse you could count on him sending. He wouldn't try and force a horse to adjust to his style. Today's riders do that. If I like a speed horse and Irad Ortiz is up I hesitate because I cannot count on him sending.

Great post. 100 pct agree with the sentiment as well as the comments on the specific jocks you mention.

[keithw84]

It's a generalizarion, but I think the jockey makes a bigger difference at smaller tracks with lower quality horses.

[Dahoss9698]

Jockeys making a difference example #9,999,999. Mike Luzzi had no business losing the 2nd at Belmont today. Had he just rode his horse instead of looking back 3 times he wins. Instead he's 3rd beaten a nose.

Embarrassing

[no breathalyzer]

That was pitiful ... might as well put cement blocks on your horse... not sure anyone in the jocks room could of lost with that setup.

[Appy]

On the Mike Smith topic, I know he has spent considerable time and effort to become more than just a jockey. He has focused on learning how to be a horseman, which has made him a better jockey.
That, to me, makes a big difference. That's the kind of guy I want riding my horses.

[Exotic1]

Originally Posted by no breathalyzer

That was pitiful ... might as well put cement blocks on your horse... not sure anyone in the jocks room could of lost with that setup.

Luzzi should endeavor to destroy all copies of that tape.