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10-29-2018, 07:40 PM
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Just another Facist
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No! Not again!
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10-30-2018, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
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Ahh...there it is.
Yes, the CC Customer truly averted a disaster. And shot the perp dead!
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10-30-2018, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
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I was wondering who here has a CC and would have no problem exercising it in this or similar situation.
I know you are former LE and have trained for this. My question is for those who who haven’t. I have a CC and some, long ago, military training but I still question my capabilities when it comes to situations like this. In a crowded space with innocent lives at stake? Anyone who treats this as a given is, IMO, kidding themselves and placing others at great risk.
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10-30-2018, 05:59 PM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by TJDave
I was wondering who here has a CC and would have no problem exercising it in this or similar situation.
I know you are former LE and have trained for this. My question is for those who who haven’t. I have a CC and some, long ago, military training but I still question my capabilities when it comes to situations like this. In a crowded space with innocent lives at stake? Anyone who treats this as a given is, IMO, kidding themselves and placing others at great risk.
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Yep....”a man has to know his limitations”.
IF U LIVE IN OHIO, AND ARE A VETERAN, OHIO NOW ALLOWS U TO GET A PERMIT FOR FREE, WITH NO COURSE
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10-31-2018, 09:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TJDave
I was wondering who here has a CC and would have no problem exercising it in this or similar situation.
I know you are former LE and have trained for this. My question is for those who who haven’t. I have a CC and some, long ago, military training but I still question my capabilities when it comes to situations like this. In a crowded space with innocent lives at stake? Anyone who treats this as a given is, IMO, kidding themselves and placing others at great risk.
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What do you think the risks would have been for the other customers and McDonald workers if the shooter had done nothing to protect them?
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10-31-2018, 12:33 PM
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I would have no problem doing it. I have been shooting firearms for 44 years and do it a lot.
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10-31-2018, 12:44 PM
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Just another Facist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TJDave
I was wondering who here has a CC and would have no problem exercising it in this or similar situation.
I know you are former LE and have trained for this. My question is for those who who haven’t. I have a CC and some, long ago, military training but I still question my capabilities when it comes to situations like this. In a crowded space with innocent lives at stake? Anyone who treats this as a given is, IMO, kidding themselves and placing others at great risk.
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Dave, you make a great point. You have to shoot, and do it on a regular basis. I try to shoot every six months. I also use multiple guns on the range. I have two guns I carry and both need to be practiced with. You also have to understand lots of extra stuff. for example:
Where are you most likely to get into a gun fight?
Me, probably my restaurant. So I have measured my distances from where I plant myself during late nights and near closing. I know where my best cover is, the wall thickness etc.
When I go to shoot, I practice at those distances and more.
If you are going to be outside, you have a ton of problems and most have to do with your "backstop" and where that bullet is going to go when you miss. and you will miss if you fire any amount of rounds. it's been proven over and over in all kinds of shootings that the guy who fires 10 rounds in 10 seconds misses with 80%. But once the "shoot" signal goes off in most peoples brains, they turn into that 10 second shooter.
I prefer a tactical approach, but you never know what or where you are going to be. Better tactics work when you have cover, concealment and an optimum place to shoot. That rarely happens, but practice is everything.
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10-31-2018, 12:47 PM
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It just depends on the scenario.
If shooting has started... I'm shooting 100% of the time.
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10-31-2018, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
Dave, you make a great point. You have to shoot, and do it on a regular basis. I try to shoot every six months. I also use multiple guns on the range. I have two guns I carry and both need to be practiced with. You also have to understand lots of extra stuff. for example:
Where are you most likely to get into a gun fight?
Me, probably my restaurant. So I have measured my distances from where I plant myself during late nights and near closing. I know where my best cover is, the wall thickness etc.
When I go to shoot, I practice at those distances and more.
If you are going to be outside, you have a ton of problems and most have to do with your "backstop" and where that bullet is going to go when you miss. and you will miss if you fire any amount of rounds. it's been proven over and over in all kinds of shootings that the guy who fires 10 rounds in 10 seconds misses with 80%. But once the "shoot" signal goes off in most peoples brains, they turn into that 10 second shooter.
I prefer a tactical approach, but you never know what or where you are going to be. Better tactics work when you have cover, concealment and an optimum place to shoot. That rarely happens, but practice is everything.
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Good post.
I can't even begin to describe how many times, out in the hunting world, I've taken shots that there was no "practicing for."
Virtually never goes the way you expect it to.
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10-31-2018, 01:43 PM
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I never fired a gun in my life (BBs don't count  ). It's hard for someone like me to understand why it's so tough, but I'm sure if I experienced it I'd find out in a hurry. I sort of wish I had some experience, but I have no interest in hunting and living in Queens NY makes having a gun a bit difficult.
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10-31-2018, 01:59 PM
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Just Deplorable
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I've taken shots that there was no "practicing for."
Virtually never goes the way you expect it to.
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Me 'n golf.
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10-31-2018, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
I never fired a gun in my life (BBs don't count ). It's hard for someone like me to understand why it's so tough, but I'm sure if I experienced it I'd find out in a hurry. I sort of wish I had some experience, but I have no interest in hunting and living in Queens NY makes having a gun a bit difficult. |
Similar to any activity that requires muscle memory, form, and technique... bowling, golf, billiards.
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10-31-2018, 03:15 PM
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You guys don’t have lasers on your pistols?
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10-31-2018, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tape Reader
You guys don’t have lasers on your pistols?
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on some of em. The one on the bed no. I have glow sights only I can see. Laser gives the intruder a target and tells them I have him in sights. I don’t want him to know so that I’m one up in him
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10-31-2018, 05:30 PM
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Location: Louisiana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JustRalph
Yep....”a man has to know his limitations”.
IF U LIVE IN OHIO, AND ARE A VETERAN, OHIO NOW ALLOWS U TO GET A PERMIT FOR FREE, WITH NO COURSE
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Same here in Louisiana ...(Free for five or lifetime).
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