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Old 11-03-2022, 09:16 PM   #61
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so iv been trying for years to really learn & use this stuff and it really is just one man using all you great handicappers idears and when the pipper comes so dose the door you out and there really is not a methodology ok well
iv got some in put rule 1
What i find to work we only handicap up to 6f no matter dist MOST NA RACES OVER BY HAFE POLE TO 8TH POLE ANY WAY (some over at 1/4 pole lol)

rule # 2
only EP,TOTAL E,PR(PACE RATING),% MEDIAN,HID FF,

RULE # 3 PACE LINE
Select races that are for todays class & dist (follow rule 1 ) thought out horse that dont meet class&dist (but use horse if it meets 1 of 2 )

ill probley eat flak but after reading this post i had to comment
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Old 11-04-2022, 12:10 AM   #62
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Old 11-04-2022, 04:59 PM   #63
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Renewed a 16 year old thread...

Gotta be a record




Sartin stuff is way past it prime....

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Old 11-04-2022, 08:15 PM   #64
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Sartin stuff is way past it prime


Not true Ted Craven has done a excellent job with RDSS keeping
the methodology going.
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Old 11-04-2022, 08:19 PM   #65
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Not true Ted Craven has done a excellent job with RDSS keeping
the methodology going.
thxs...maybe I'll stop by and check em out
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Old 11-05-2022, 02:07 AM   #66
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Sartin stuff is way past it prime....
I submit that the racing world caught on that fractional times held a lot of significant information. Today, it is necessary to go beyond purely fractional times to be efficient in handicapping. But the basics of pace making the race are still relevant.
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Old 11-05-2022, 10:40 PM   #67
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Brings back memories. I remember sitting in the casino with a friend and Brohammer as they were handicapping races. Friend had been doing well with Sartin for quite a while, as he put a lot of effort into the system. Sometimes though number’s don’t give you the whole story.
A downhill race at Santa Anita came up and we had a difference of opinion. I warned them that a certain horse had an affinity for the track but was ignored. The horse won at a decent price.
Seems a lot of stuff or all of it actually came from many sources and Sartin put a lot of it together in one package. I had already programmed many of the same concepts for someone on an Apple computer. I did meet Mahl before that time as he wanted me to do some programming for him. Didn’t really know who he was as I wasn’t really that into handicapping at the time. Should have taken his offer.

Anyway, as in everything, most things are built on the shoulders of those who came before and the more things change, the more they stay the same. The numbers are the numbers and there are not many ways they can be massaged to give a different story. It takes patience and experience to weed out the answers.

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Old 11-08-2022, 05:52 PM   #68
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Sartin stuff is way past it prime....

Gotta agree with ShoelessJoe, RDSS 2 is a very nice program. Give it a look if you haven't already.


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Old 11-08-2022, 06:32 PM   #69
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Donnie, I knew Doc was a salesman - a darn good one.
I also know that using Aqua Velva will not bring scantly clad women rushing to rub my cheeks, but I still use it!
Tom, I so enjoy these old threads. You are still around, so I suggest rubbing somthing better than Aqua Velva on nice ladies feet. If you get good at it everything is possible. A nice enter point for me into the thread, Thanks Tom.

I had the pleasure of an afternoon betting races with Binder, I had a box of original Sartin Install disks gifted to me from a wife of a departed friend that I took with me to show to Binder that I was not slinging BS. To make a lomg story short Bill was very helpful to me with the old stuff. Also during the day of betting with him he often said this one is too good for me and passed many races and was correct. It is how one makes the tools work for you, I feel those old tools still work today if you can have the mindset to wait and understand races to the expert level like Binder possesed when he was with us.

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Old 11-08-2022, 09:43 PM   #70
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Binder was great guy, totally dedicated to improving himself and helping others.
He is surley missed.

I'm glad I was able to meet him in person one time.
I still go back to his old posts from time to time, to review what I might have thought significant at the time with my mindset years later.
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Old 11-09-2022, 01:50 PM   #71
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Binder was a great friend, he came down to meet me numerous
times to work races .

Hello Fast and Tom used to have some fun times on the old site


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