Postal workers stealing campaign funds

[PaceAdvantage]

And Tom, I could be 100% WRONG.

The USPS could be 100% on the UP AND UP when it comes to mail-in ballots.

But just the fact that we're having this conversation is all that matters.

it's PROOF a SIGNIFICANT portion of the electorate has LOST FAITH in the process.

And that's all that's needed for Democracy to die.

[PaceAdvantage]

It's not up to that SIGNIFICANT portion of the electorate that has lost faith to START BELIEVING again.

it's up to those who CAUSED THE DOUBT to RESTORE CONFIDENCE via WAY MORE TRANSPARENCY.

You can start by not taking WEEKS to count votes.

And in those places where it takes WEEKS to count votes in CLOSE ELECTIONS, have the Democrats WIN almost every single time...LMAO

[Tom]

So, you identify a zip code and stealall the ballots?
Frankly, in the real world, I know of no one who thinks mail ballots are not secure and safe. I use mail every election and have no worries.
Now, getting blank ballots and sneaking boxes in, as "found" ballots is reasonably doable. When you vote in person, you don't get extra ballots.

I am convinced the red wave was stifled not by rigging but by Trump. He has divided the repubbs and it showed. If he runs, Biden is a shoe in.

Time for racing.

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't think ANY ballots are safe and secure, quite frankly.

Mail in...in person...where are the guarantees that these are all safe and secure?

Each state has their own process...it's like RACING...look how that's doing.

Why should I think my ballot is safe if I mail it in? Where's the guarantee that my vote has been recorded and counted? I look up on a website? Really? lol

Where's the guarantee that my scanned in-person ballot is actually being tabulated correctly? Where's the guarantee that nobody has access to the counts and can alter them at will, electronically? Who are these companies that produce these voting machines? Who are the people responsible for the software that tabulates and transmits the totals?

Do you know? Do you know where to look? Where are the audits? Can you download them?

See what I am getting at?

You and I have put nothing but FAITH into this system for DECADES!

And I've seen ENOUGH the last 10 years to have my faith pretty much completely eradicated at this point. Me and LOTS of others. Has NOTHING to do with Trump. I've been writing about this on here way before Trump came along.

[xtb]

I find it amazing that we used to have mechanical voting machines and almost always knew the winners on election night. But they were archaic, we needed electronic voting machines. Now having results on election night is the exception, nothing like "progress".

[PaceAdvantage]

The only thing you can really blame Trump for is blowing out the brains of enough people to drive them to the point they will do ANYTHING to see him or his ilk not elected...ever...and that means CHEATING at ALL THINGS to assure that end result.

I firmly believe all liberals and all anti-Trumpers are capable of rigging elections to prevent him and anyone like him from winning.

So yes, in a sense, Trump ultimately destroyed our democracy once and for all, but not by the methods most would think.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I don't think ANY ballots are safe and secure, quite frankly.

Mail in...in person...where are the guarantees that these are all safe and secure?

Each state has their own process...it's like RACING...look how that's doing.

Why should I think my ballot is safe if I mail it in? Where's the guarantee that my vote has been recorded and counted? I look up on a website? Really? lol

Where's the guarantee that my scanned in-person ballot is actually being tabulated correctly? Where's the guarantee that nobody has access to the counts and can alter them at will, electronically? Who are these companies that produce these voting machines? Who are the people responsible for the software that tabulates and transmits the totals?

Do you know? Do you know where to look? Where are the audits? Can you download them?

See what I am getting at?

You and I have put nothing but FAITH into this system for DECADES!

And I've seen ENOUGH the last 10 years to have my faith pretty much completely eradicated at this point. Me and LOTS of others. Has NOTHING to do with Trump. I've been writing about this on here way before Trump came along.

And BLIND faith at that!

[mostpost]

What has this world come to when Tom is the voice of reason and common sense?

Question #1 How was the theft discovered? Did Stefanik's campaign office receive the packages without the checks but with the letters indicating the amount of the contribution? If that is the case, why didn't the thief simply steal the checks and discard the envelopes and letters. While it is illegal to discard first class mail, USPS throws out hundreds of thousands of pieces of undeliverable junk mail and flyers every day. It would not be difficult to hide a single priority envelope in among that much trash.

Question # 2. Why send that much money in the mail, when every campaign has a dedicated website for such things? At the very least you would send it via registered mail. That way it is tracked and signed for along every step of its journey.

Question #3. Who is to say it wasn't someone in Stefanik's office that stole that money? Or the Congresswoman herself?

[PaceAdvantage]

There are no more voices of reason

your kind have seen to that

[Tom]

mostost asks 3 reaonable questions.

And I have one him. As one who actually worked in a post office, assume your absote best worker, in a normal shift, how many return addresses on obvious ballot envelops could see, read, and comprehend, let alone look any up on some list, remove some, and dispose of them without being caught?

[Jeff P]

Every registered voter in CA was supposed to receive a mail in ballot.

Never received one. Voted in person.

Same for a neighbor who lives across the street.

Both of us R's.

Never gave it much thought until I saw this:
https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ion_fraud.html

Where did my mail in ballot go? Where did my neighbor's mail in ballot go?


-jp

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[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Tom

mostost asks 3 reaonable questions.

And I have one him. As one who actually worked in a post office, assume your absote best worker, in a normal shift, how many return addresses on obvious ballot envelops could see, read, and comprehend, let alone look any up on some list, remove some, and dispose of them without being caught?

If you think it's some rouge USPS employee sifting through stacks of mail...

Yeah, you're right...that IS funny...kind of like a Seinfeld episode featuring Newman.

[PaceAdvantage]

Here’s the fraud equation taking place across the country:

Count the in-person votes on election day.
Count the early, in-person votes.
Shut down the system (Atlanta water leak, Maricopa County everything).
Bring in undeliverable ballots gathered when you changed voters’ names, addresses, or zip codes, then changed them back.
Determine the votes you need to win. Press the “WIN” button.
Wait for the Republicans to file a lawsuit months later.

Sounds like a plan

GOTTA STOP THE MAGAs!!!!! lmao

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Tom

mostost asks 3 reaonable questions.

And I have one him. As one who actually worked in a post office, assume your absote best worker, in a normal shift, how many return addresses on obvious ballot envelops could see, read, and comprehend, let alone look any up on some list, remove some, and dispose of them without being caught?

I've been retired for 17 plus years now and even before i retired things were changing rapidly. Here's what I know. Very little mail is sorted by hand anymore. It's all done by machine. When you vote by mail, you have a few options. You can take your ballot to a local collection point which could be a City Hall or a a County building or perhaps an early polling place. You could drop it in a designated drop box if your jurisdiction has such. Or, you could drop it in a mailbox. If you do the latter, it will be picked up along with the rest of the mail by a carrier. sometimes by the regular carrier on the route; sometimes by a mounted carrier whose job is to exclusively gather mail from the boxes and bring it back to the office. Most folks don't realize it but there is usually a postal tub in those boxes so the carrier simply removes the full tub and replaces it with an empty one. unless it is sitting on top, it is doubtful the carrier would even notice there is a ballot in there. In 2016 there were approximately 153,000 collection boxes in the United States, plus 31000 post offices. so the chances of any particular collection points having a noticeable number of ballots on a particular collection is small.

What happens after the carrier returns to the office with the mail from a dozen or so collection boxes. Again, this is based on procedures when i was working.

There are no sorting machines at your local post office and no mail is sorted by hand. Outgoing mail from businesses is usually presorted by them and put in trays or tubs and sent out that way. Loose mail from the collections and from the front of the office is simply dumped loose in a hamper-the kind you see in prison laundries in the movies. All of this is then wheeled on to a truck and taken to the sectional sorting facility.

Usually these trucks are operated by contractors. They are on a tight schedule and are subject to random checks by postal inspectors.

https://about.usps.com/what/governme...election-mail/

I probably should have just started with this. The actual regulations for handling mail in ballots. If you are inclined, as are you and I to trust the process, this will be reassuring. If you are a conspiracy theorist it won't matter at all.

Your original question was how much time does a carrier have to identify any type of mail and divert it for whatever reason. Very little. sorting standards are 18 and 8. That is, the carrier is required to sort 18 letters and 8 flats a minute. A flat is a magazine or large envelope. that is one every 2.3 seconds. you barely have time to look at the address, much less anything else about the piece. Anyway, all that is pretty much irrelevant because most mail comes into the office presorted and sequenced. The carrier just seperates it into manageable bundles and is on his way.

ETA: OK that link is not what i thought it was. I will have to go back and find the proper one.

[jocko699]

Jimmy!!!!!! A great example of all stamp lickers.