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Old 02-28-2013, 06:57 AM   #106
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I appreciate your post Valento. Please understand I agree with most of your comments. What I'm sick and tired of is people like Mountainman who are paid employees of MTR that are suppose to represent the general public. Telling lies on this blog saying stewards are making 6 figures. That is a blatant lie, no steward is making 6 figures at any track in the regional area, especially mountaineer and he knows it. And it gives the false impression to handicappers on this site that are not in the industry, that stewards make big money and wouldn't risk there career to cheat. Once again that is false and that's what upsets me with his post. Everyone has there own opinion regardless how ridiculous some of them sound. And I respect each and every one. Can't say I agree with those people that say the race wasn't fixed. My idea of a fixed race is when the outcome of a race is changed with out warrant or cause through a nefarious act. In the end the racing commission will decide the fate of these stewards. I don't bet beulah, and didn't have a financial interest in the race. I am however tired of this kind of conduct ruining the sport. It runs current owners and potential owners out of the game, and leaves a black eye to the entires sport. That's why I'm so passionate.
We agree on much of it but not in attacking a guy like Mark. He is basically one of us with a job in the industry.

I have no idea how much anyone makes and, quite frankly, don't care and think it was a meaningless statement by Mark. The fact is, nobody ever has enough money and to think someone making 6 figures wouldn't take an edge for more money is being niave. These stewards probably wouldn't jeopardize their job but to think just because someone makes 6 figures, they are somehow immune from making foolish financial decisions and looking for a way "out" of some problems is silly. Bernie Madoff anyone?

Fact is, the game has so many warts and when this kind of thing happens, it makes it uglier.

I don't care that these kinds of things happen (trainers cheating with PED's, jockeys throwing a race, stewards making an obviously bad call, a huge favorite pulls up 100 yards from the gate and his odds go from 2-5 to 3-1, etc). What I care about is NO ONE that has the control to provide protective oversight appears to be doing a SINGLE THING to bring accountability to the game.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:53 AM   #107
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I appreciate your post Valento. Please understand I agree with most of your comments. What I'm sick and tired of is people like Mountainman who are paid employees of MTR that are suppose to represent the general public. Telling lies on this blog saying stewards are making 6 figures. That is a blatant lie, no steward is making 6 figures at any track in the regional area, especially mountaineer and he knows it. And it gives the false impression to handicappers on this site that are not in the industry, that stewards make big money and wouldn't risk there career to cheat. Once again that is false and that's what upsets me with his post. Everyone has there own opinion regardless how ridiculous some of them sound. And I respect each and every one. Can't say I agree with those people that say the race wasn't fixed. My idea of a fixed race is when the outcome of a race is changed with out warrant or cause through a nefarious act. In the end the racing commission will decide the fate of these stewards. I don't bet beulah, and didn't have a financial interest in the race. I am however tired of this kind of conduct ruining the sport. It runs current owners and potential owners out of the game, and leaves a black eye to the entires sport. That's why I'm so passionate.

Funny, your definition of passion. I just thought you were being a rude prick.
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:34 AM   #108
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When watching the DQ at BEU, I can't get out of my head how this race (link below) did not warrant a DQ or even an inquiry. I beg someone to make a case for no inquiry (and corresponding DQ).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODSRxsop_7I
I remember that race
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Old 02-28-2013, 09:38 AM   #109
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Hate all you want magic, mountain,Todd,veryoldman. I didn't lose a dime in the race. All of you work behind the scenes at mtr and Beulah. I understand your passion to want to defend your coworkers. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. But remember as a payed employee your words are binding even here. Let me ask you about Paucars ride last January where he pulled up the 2 horse Sterling Emblem 1 full furlong before the finish line. Then tells the stewards he missed judged the finish line, veteran rider misjudge the finish line? who's been riding there for years? See there still letting him ride there and you think these stewards are fair? Maybe to there coworkers but not to the gamblers and owners that support the sport. Those that know me personally know I keep pretty quiet, And I've done a great job for all my clients. Oh by the way those of you that work at mtr, that are posting in defense of the stewards. Please, I hope your working that vigorously to get the horsemen there pension money and lobbying to get the place fixed up its gross. It looks like the house on Texas chainsaw last I was there.


2 horse Sterling Emblem 1 full furlong before the finish line. I think somebody on here made a thread about that and posted the vid. the fix was in that day!
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Old 02-28-2013, 01:37 PM   #110
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Watched the race at Keenland

That race did not warrent a DQ. That was just racing luck. Nobody made any mistake on that race either.
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Old 02-28-2013, 03:27 PM   #111
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Since it's been established that the host track doesn't foot the tab on minus pools, conspiracy theorists can only be contending that at least two Beu stewards were involved in fixing the race for profit. Which, in that particular case, rather begs the question: What kind of master mind, well-heeled and brazen enough to buy 2 (or 3) stewards, leaves a 2/5 lock unaccounted for and on go?

I will eagerly await response. THIS, should be good.

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Old 02-28-2013, 05:29 PM   #112
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Since it's been established that the host track doesn't foot the tab on minus pools, conspiracy theorists can only be contending that at least two Beu stewards were involved in fixing the race for profit. Which, in that particular case, rather begs the question: What kind of master mind, well-heeled and brazen enough to buy 2 (or 3) stewards, leaves a 2/5 lock unaccounted for and on go?

I will eagerly await response. THIS, should be good.
I dont think that the CT's (Conspiracy theorists) believe the race was actually FIXED in the conventional sense of the word (payoffs under the table, secret phone conversations, elaborate plans, etc).

I think that the CTs (including Bloodhorse.com who led with the minus show pool angle) just feel that either the judges looked up at the board and thought "lets stick it to this show betting genius who thinks he's going to get some free money off of Beulah's back" OR, they thought to themselves "lets make a statement to all show bettors, don't try and grab some free money from Beulah"

Personally, i dont think the DQ had anything to do with the show bet, i think they just probably wanted to teach jocks a lesson that if you arent going to go in an exact straight line at Beu, you might come down. Unfortunately, they proved their point by taking money from deserving horseplayers who bet on the winning horse.

I know for sure that some tracks leave results stand and yet, discipline jocks after the fact, so, its possible to pay off the winners and deal with administrative stuff in house.

They chose to involve the horseplayer to make their point to their jockey colony.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:34 PM   #113
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I would love to here your response Magic and Mountain on your employers response to OZZIE CHEATING THE CASINO at your beloved MTR, and the action to let him still ride at there track. How about your good friends the stewards at Beulah? letting ALBERTO PUSAC Still ride after the STERLING EMBLEM fixed race. Also the moral character of a Employer like MTR not sending even a card to one of there excersize riders funeral. LOVE TO HERE YOUR RESPONSE. Make no mistake Mountainman you and your BS represent everything wrong with the sport and your comments show how little respect you have for the handicappers and owners that support the sport. And they pay you to handicap? WOW.
As to answer your question, who really knows why the stewards did what they did DQing the 6, but it was criminal in my mind and the minds of others that watched the race. People like that need to be swiftly terminated to save the integrity of the sport. I'll be waiting for your responses to the above comments.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:58 PM   #114
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Punching holes in your moronic notion that Daryl Parker fixed a horserace somehow disrespects handicappers?

Once again, you can't legitimize your malicious lunacy by presuming to speak for horseplayers.

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Old 02-28-2013, 05:59 PM   #115
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I would love to here your response Magic and Mountain on your employers response to OZZIE CHEATING THE CASINO at your beloved MTR, and the action to let him still ride at there track. How about your good friends the stewards at Beulah? letting ALBERTO PUSAC Still ride after the STERLING EMBLEM fixed race. Also the moral character of a Employer like MTR not sending even a card to one of there excersize riders funeral. LOVE TO HERE YOUR RESPONSE. Make no mistake Mountainman you and your BS represent everything wrong with the sport and your comments show how little respect you have for the handicappers and owners that support the sport. And they pay you to handicap? WOW.
As to answer your question, who really knows why the stewards did what they did DQing the 6, but it was criminal in my mind and the minds of others that watched the race. People like that need to be swiftly terminated to save the integrity of the sport. I'll be waiting for your responses to the above comments.
Ok GG, no need to attack Mark, he's a good person, a good handicapper and a good commentator. Try and calm down and act in a responsible manner and maybe he will answer any questions you have.

Gee, and i thought I was riledup!
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:04 PM   #116
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I have a theory, they Beulah stewards mistaken watched that Mumbai race, thus the dq.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:10 PM   #117
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I don't think that the CT's (Conspiracy theorists) believe the race was actually FIXED in the conventional sense of the word (payoffs under the table, secret phone conversations, elaborate plans, etc).
I suggest you read Green Gorilla's initial post.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:15 PM   #118
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I DO BELIEVE THE RACE WAS FIXED. I will be sending a letter to the racing commission as well.
Better yet, I'll quote him for you. Sounds like a pretty conventional interpretation of "fixed" to me.

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Old 02-28-2013, 06:20 PM   #119
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What cant answer the question of Ozzie still riding at mtr after cheating? How about the stewards not banning Pusac after sterling emblem ride? You duck the questions cause all that comes out of your mouth is some bs about Darryl Paker and what a great guy he is, known him for years. The bottom line is all the stewards involved with that the race should be terminated period, regardless of who there friends are or how nice they are. That is how you restore integrity and prevent other nefarious actions like this one from occurring again.
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:20 PM   #120
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I don't think the stewards screwed up, it depends on what you feel the jockey of the 1 was doing.

http://www.beulahpark.com/

race replays Monday 2/25 race 1

the action occurs near 25 seconds on replay

the jockey started pulling up at about 23 seconds, then clipped heal of 5 at 25 seconds, then about fell off.

I saw the head-on replay which showed the 6 and 5 racing to the corner and the jockey of the 1 about fall-off, but could not really tell if there was a lane left or not. When viewing the other 2 angles supplied by Beulahs website, I can agree with stewards - and they might of even had more angles than the 3 I have seen.
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