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Old 02-27-2013, 01:39 PM   #91
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Sorry meant Alberto Pusac, regardless want to here there response for stewards ruling on that one.
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Old 02-27-2013, 01:47 PM   #92
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Been awake for a long time.

I have never worked for Mountaineer Park. The horseman already have a great pension plan. The track does not need to be fixed up. The track is one of the best racetracks in the whole United States. This track lacks nothing. It has a great grandstand with a really big blacktop slope area in front of it. ( Something tracks like Belmont do not have. ) It has a really super great lighted turf and main race course. It has a hotel and casino, pool, tennis, big concert hall,health club, great bands at the nightclub, great blacktop parking ( free). The track owns a nearby golf course. They used to have one adjacent to the track.

The only thing the track does not have is a place to park your yacht. But it is super great that the track has a river and the option for yacht parking. There were plans to build some boat parking. But just not implemented. There were also plans for horse trail riding.

The track really lacks nothing.
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:01 PM   #93
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I find it hard to believe you don't work at mtr living in chester wv.But you must not because you would know that all the horsemen have been waiting for 2 yea
Rs now for there pension disbursement. As for it being a wonderful place, I would imagine your ideal home is a luxury double wide. Because last I was at mtr they had a 1 trip buffet, ceiling tile that was falling down, and had maybe 100 horsemen sitting around telling me they don't know how there going to pay there bills, how depressing, saw very few non industry people in the stands. It reminded me of a flashback to the 70's. And if you knew anything about track condition you would know the surface is one of the worst in the country to train over and race at. Just ask the trainers
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Old 02-27-2013, 02:29 PM   #94
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I have never lived in any type of a trailer . The track in the 70's and 80's had tons of gravel. It was frozen in the winter and sometimes very very deep. But not now- they have a tractor harrow the track all night long. In the summer they have people walk the turf couse and fix torn spots right after the race. ( how many tracks do these things and what else could be done better?) The track owns their (yes it mean possessiveness) own very large sand and gravel place.

The track also has a new housing area for horseman, a new building for mess hall , new tack shops. The track has places for horse to take showers.

The track just put $350,000 remodeling the buffet area even though it was perfect before renovations.

The track is doing a very good job with the property.
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Old 02-27-2013, 03:04 PM   #95
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I have never lived in any type of a trailer . The track in the 70's and 80's had tons of gravel. It was frozen in the winter and sometimes very very deep. But not now- they have a tractor harrow the track all night long. In the summer they have people walk the turf couse and fix torn spots right after the race. ( how many tracks do these things and what else could be done better?) The track owns their (yes it mean possessiveness) own very large sand and gravel place.

The track also has a new housing area for horseman, a new building for mess hall , new tack shops. The track has places for horse to take showers.

The track just put $350,000 remodeling the buffet area even though it was perfect before renovations.

The track is doing a very good job with the property.
What goes on at Mountaineer at 6am? I rarely see published workouts, are there no horses working out at this place? Horses will come back off 3 and 4 month layoffs with one stray 3F drill in 41, is that enough to get a horse fit, or, are there more works that just got 'missed'?
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Old 02-27-2013, 03:11 PM   #96
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workouts

I know trainers that do exactly just that. They bring horses right in from the farm and put them right in a race after only one workout. This is a very hilly area of the country. Most farms do not have any room at all for a workout at the farms nearby. Some trainers swim their horses as this is considered a safe thing to do. They just rest them up and bring them to the track and run them. And hope for the best.
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Old 02-27-2013, 03:13 PM   #97
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I know trainers that do exactly just that. They bring horses right in from the farm and put them right in a race after only one workout. This is a very hilly area of the country. Most farms do not have any room at all for a workout at the farms nearby. Some trainers swim their horses as this is considered a safe thing to do. They just rest them up and bring them to the track and run them. And hope for the best.
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:43 PM   #98
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Beulah might be a good place to run horses if you have inexpensive stock. Pay 5 places and not many races with 6 or more horses... lots of cashes...
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Old 02-27-2013, 06:33 PM   #99
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Hate all you want magic, mountain,Todd,veryoldman. I didn't lose a dime in the race. All of you work behind the scenes at mtr and Beulah. I understand your passion to want to defend your coworkers. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. But remember as a payed employee your words are binding even here.
Please tell me you're joking - how did I get dragged into this? I've never even BEEN to Mountaineer or Beulah, for crying out loud, let along WORK at either place. All I did was make a post saying that I could see the argument that there was nothing nefarious about the DQ - not that it was right, just that I wasn't signing onto the corruption/conspiracy theory. Leave me out of the Mountaineer and Beulah bashing.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:40 PM   #100
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Me neither. Whoever thinks this horse should have been taken does not know how to watch a race.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:48 PM   #101
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There wasn't a minus pool on the 5? That is pretty hilarious to be honest. The "fouled" jockey didn't even claim foul.

Statements like this are what make people mad:

"You'd be surprised at how many people think that, but it never comes into play," Parker said. "We never have time to look at the odds or anything like that."

Seriously? Just shut the hell up. How long does it take to look at a tote board, 1/10th of a second?
EXACTLY
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Old 02-28-2013, 03:33 AM   #102
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In the end I'm just curious to see the action taken by the racing commission. There actions towards the stewards at Beulah park will speak volumes about Ohio thoroughbred racing, and weather or not they value the owners and gamblers that support there sport in there state. As for your comments Magic about the horses bumping out of the gate you really do need to get glasses, you insult the sport with every post. At know time did the six bump any horse. And I'm happy you love mountaineer, there such a wonderful track that when exercise rider VINCENT LEPIANE was killed they couldn't even send flowers or a card. Can't send a sympathy card for one of there own employees. I know I was at the funeral. They knew his family for 20 yrs, his mother Teresa has been running horses there that long, and how about Oswald Perrera getting caught 2 yrs ago cheating at blackjack at mountaineers casino, and they still let him ride there, granite he is banned for life from the casino, but what's that say about the track still letting him ride there after cheating his own employer. If you call that class and integrity you can have Mountaineer all to yourself. Hey maybe Mark can give you a job, cause your both good at lieing
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Old 02-28-2013, 04:42 AM   #103
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A few observations on this thread

  1. Mark Patterson is a very good guy and an excellent handicapper. He's one of the best talking horses before a race. I disagree with him on some of the points he made in his original post but in no way, shape or form should Mark take the slightest of grief here. He's one of the few that has the guts to speak his mind.
  2. Mark P made a good post about the likliehood of no conspiracy or benefit of the minus pool going away. Valid and logical. However, we (none of us) have any idea what motivates people. I know this, the #6 did not deserve to be DQ'd. I'm quite certain if I could muster the energy and motivation, I could find 25 races tomorrow alone that have the same action in the first two furlongs and not a single person, steward, jockey, etc would blink an eye. The #1 tried to hold position on the rail and the opening wasn't big enough and the horse tried to duck away from the 5 and 6 and hit the rail. This caused the #1 to bump the tail end of the #5 and lose his irons. While the 6 was riding tight, he wasn't in any foul. I believe what they did should warrant a severe reprimand and fine or even possibly termination. I think it was THAT bad.
  3. There and their are different words and should be used properly. If you don't know the difference, you are spending too much time at the track. A grown man should not make 2nd grade mistakes, even on a forum.
  4. The overarching problem here is a perception problem racing has. From the "little guys" in the stands or behind their computer, it feels like our interests and money are not protected nearly enough. Whether it be the drug issues, DQ's, poor management, unwillingness to post will-pays or scratch rules, not explaining track delays and letting the patrons sit for an hour without even knowing what is happening and on and on. I could name 100 things that are aggrevating impacts to the horse players and could be corrected without a financial impact to the track.
  5. People like me, Stillril, Mountn...etc are the best marketing the horse racing industry has for securing the next generation of players who will take our spot when we go away or die off. Right now, there is a very slow replenishment of players and that is why the game is drying up. We can advocate for this game to the people that aren't exposed to it but, sadly, we can hardly name 5 reasons why we should. Things like this at BEU, with no accountabilty and a feeling of entitlement in not having to explain themselves pushes me farther away. While I'll play to my death, I have stopped trying to bring others into it.
  6. It doesn't matter to me how "good" these stewards are, they made an inexcusable decision that cost a lot of people money. I didn't bet the race but, if I did, I would be homicidal if I was taken down that way.
  7. Finally, this decision was not a subjective mistake. It was an overt action to overreach the penalty of what they saw as not abiding by "their rules and little film". The others were right. Leave the results and penalize the rider independently. Happens all the time.
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By the way---

When watching the DQ at BEU, I can't get out of my head how this race (link below) did not warrant a DQ or even an inquiry. I beg someone to make a case for no inquiry (and corresponding DQ).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODSRxsop_7I
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:31 AM   #105
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I appreciate your post Valento. Please understand I agree with most of your comments. What I'm sick and tired of is people like Mountainman who are paid employees of MTR that are suppose to represent the general public. Telling lies on this blog saying stewards are making 6 figures. That is a blatant lie, no steward is making 6 figures at any track in the regional area, especially mountaineer and he knows it. And it gives the false impression to handicappers on this site that are not in the industry, that stewards make big money and wouldn't risk there career to cheat. Once again that is false and that's what upsets me with his post. Everyone has there own opinion regardless how ridiculous some of them sound. And I respect each and every one. Can't say I agree with those people that say the race wasn't fixed. My idea of a fixed race is when the outcome of a race is changed with out warrant or cause through a nefarious act. In the end the racing commission will decide the fate of these stewards. I don't bet beulah, and didn't have a financial interest in the race. I am however tired of this kind of conduct ruining the sport. It runs current owners and potential owners out of the game, and leaves a black eye to the entires sport. That's why I'm so passionate.
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