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View Poll Results: Did Martin Garcia body slam Follow Me Crev on purpose?
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Yes, he's done it before on a Baffert Horse
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No, it just happened
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Not sure but it sure was suspicious
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05-29-2017, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by arw629
I find this thread comical
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If there was no history I wouldn't have put it up. But, there is.
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05-29-2017, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
It's the starters fault. Remember the press conference where Baffert was caught on a hot mic telling Garcia what to say?
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All I was saying is that a horse can duck from the starter and it is not a leap to say that. It does happen.
Don't know the race and never saw it. And if Bob got caught saying that I would need to follow up on why he is telling the jock what happened. It's the other way around right?
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05-29-2017, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ruffian1
All I was saying is that a horse can duck from the starter and it is not a leap to say that. It does happen.
Don't know the race and never saw it. And if Bob got caught saying that I would need to follow up on why he is telling the jock what happened. It's the other way around right?
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I agree that we are only speculating BUT there are a lot of people out here in Ca. who won't say anything on the record but are very suspicious of the slam.
And I am biased. I've had a long running feud with B.B.
Last edited by Andy Asaro; 05-29-2017 at 01:03 PM.
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05-29-2017, 01:02 PM
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"But maybe a jockey is supposed to be prepared for that possibility."
Of course the rider is.
That goes without saying.
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05-29-2017, 01:02 PM
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Twitter Poll a little different. With 95 votes
38%Yes, he's done it before.
26%No, wasn't his fault
36%Not sure but suspicious
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05-29-2017, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ruffian1
"But maybe a jockey is supposed to be prepared for that possibility."
Of course the rider is.
That goes without saying.
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Since they passed the whip rule Steward out here have a lot more control over jockeys. They get called in for things they would have never been called in for 5 years ago.
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05-29-2017, 01:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
I agree that we are only speculating BUT there are a lot of people out here in Ca. who won't say anything on the record but are very suspicious of the slam.
And I am biased. I've had a long running feud with B.B.
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When riders are allowed a freedom like the gate stuff , it's only a matter of time before it either gets abused or somebody really gets hurt.
Darrel knows this as well as anybody.
Darrel rode without the luxury of any first step stuff when he was in Maryland. He knows full well about all this.
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05-29-2017, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
It may not hurt as much as it does a speed horse, but it definitely still hurts the horses chances. He had to make up several additional lengths because of the break. He was 11 lengths back after a 1/4 mile. This is not a horse that is usually that far back---not even close.
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cj, there was a 3 horse speed duel. Maybe I am an idiot, but I absolutely expected him to be that far back. The other main closer (think his name was Big John B) was that far back too.
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05-29-2017, 01:11 PM
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Can someone with a database run a query on when Baffert runs an uncoupled entry. I'm curious how often the longer priced horse wins and what the ROI is.
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05-29-2017, 01:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruffian1
When riders are allowed a freedom like the gate stuff , it's only a matter of time before it either gets abused or somebody really gets hurt.
Darrel knows this as well as anybody.
Darrel rode without the luxury of any first step stuff when he was in Maryland. He knows full well about all this.
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He's been very disappointing since they put him in charge. Politics rule.
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05-29-2017, 01:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
cj, there was a 3 horse speed duel. Maybe I am an idiot, but I absolutely expected him to be that far back. The other main closer (think his name was Big John B) was that far back too.
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It's not so much being far back as it is getting slammed at the start, no? Doesn't that hurt a horses chances?
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05-29-2017, 01:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
It's not so much being far back as it is getting slammed at the start, no? Doesn't that hurt a horses chances?
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It could. But if the incident puts the horse back where he was going to be anyway, that's a lot less significant trouble than it would be for a front runner being denied position (e.g., Arrogate in Dubai).
(A piece of trivia. 1949 Derby winner Ponder had a bad start every race. He was a deep closer. The chart comments used to say "Ponder, slow to begin as usual...")
Last edited by dilanesp; 05-29-2017 at 01:20 PM.
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05-29-2017, 01:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
He's been very disappointing since they put him in charge. Politics rule.
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That's a shame.
He was a great guy back when I knew him.
Great rider too.
He rode and won on the 1st horse I ever saddled.
Laurel.
November 8th, 1975.
Last edited by Ruffian1; 05-29-2017 at 01:21 PM.
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05-29-2017, 01:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
It could. But if the incident puts the horse back where he was going to be anyway, that's a lot less significant trouble than it would be for a front runner being denied position (e.g., Arrogate in Dubai).
(A piece of trivia. 1949 Derby winner Ponder had a bad start every race. He was a deep closer. The chart comments used to say "Ponder, slow to begin as usual...")
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It could? 
Trouble is trouble. If you clobber a horse at the start their chances are hurt. Yes it would hurt a front runner more but it still hurts.
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05-29-2017, 01:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
cj, there was a 3 horse speed duel. Maybe I am an idiot, but I absolutely expected him to be that far back. The other main closer (think his name was Big John B) was that far back too.
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There is no way he is that far back without the trouble. Hrs been in fast paced races like that before and is generally about 5 lengths back.
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