Senate ObamaCare bill is dead

[reckless]

Originally Posted by Clocker

And if they do pass a bill, do you doubt that Trump will sign it and declare victory?

Of course he will clocker.

If the individual mandate and the employer mandate is killed, to me, it will be a victory because that was the essence of Obama care sins -- forcing people to buy something, mostly against their will. There was never any health nor care in the Obama Care bill, we both know this.

The Tax bill and hopefully Tax reform will now be passed, and all the dimwits in the GOP leadership will declare victory. Repealing and reforming the tax bill is really a no-brainer, but the GOP doesn't have any brains so they don't know this. And to think they couldn't get this done by January 4th or 5th??

If Tax Reform does happens, and it should coming into an election year, then Trump rightfully will declare victory, but the real victors will be working taxpayers and small business operators.

The market will go to 25,000 in less than 12 months; we'll have legit full employment, and OT General will be reduced to arguing what's the more legit form of mombo, the Carnarsie or Weehawken??

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by reckless

If the individual mandate and the employer mandate is killed,

I would like to see those things too. My point was that a comprehensive bill is not likely to happen, and I was asking if Trump would be satisfied with something less.

The Senate needs 50 votes to pass the new bill under reconciliation rules, which must be done before Sept. 30. After that, the Dems can filibuster any bill that they don't like.

No Dem will vote for the new bill, and 3 Republican Senators have already said that they won't. That gives them at most 49 votes now.

[chadk66]

honestly the states could clean this up by having neighboring states get together and allow companies to write the same coverage in all their states and sell in all those states participating. At least neighboring red states could. The blue states put on far too many mandates.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by chadk66

honestly the states could clean this up by having neighboring states get together and allow companies to write the same coverage in all their states and sell in all those states participating. At least neighboring red states could. The blue states put on far too many mandates.

States can allow competition across borders now. Last I heard, six states do allow it, and no out of state insurance company has ever even applied to serve those states.

The issue is economics, not regulation. A company cannot compete in a state today unless it has a network of care providers in that state. And without a customer base, a company cannot afford to build a network.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by Clocker

States can allow competition across borders now. Last I heard, six states do allow it, and no out of state insurance company has ever even applied to serve those states.

The issue is economics, not regulation. A company cannot compete in a state today unless it has a network of care providers in that state. And without a customer base, a company cannot afford to build a network.

Every state insurance commissioner has to approve every policy offered in that state. Every state has different requirements on what can and has to be offered in certain plans. It's a mess. True state to state isn't happening. Each policy differs even if it's slight. Blue Cross is a perfect example of this. They can't offer one policy that is identical throughout the whole country. Each state's Blue Cross/Shield is a separate company flying under the same banner. This is why you have doctors arguing for true "across state lines" product.

[elysiantraveller]

McCain, Collins, and Paul are going to kill it.

Which is the smart move.

[Ocala Mike]

Focusing on Obamacare repeal and replace from the get-go is proving to be a giant burr in the saddle for DJT and the R's. They know how to win elections, but governing is not their strong point (see what happened in Kansas as an example).

Now they can turn to Tax Reform, Infrastructure, and Immigration and proceed to screw that up too.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

McCain, Collins, and Paul are going to kill it.

Which is the smart move.

Alaska Senator Murkowski also voted against the previous bill and is against this one. Those pushing this bill are trying to buy her vote with special treatment for Alaska and Hawaii. (Now being called the Alaska Purchase, like the Louisiana Purchase or the Cornhusker Kickback bribes from ObamaCare.) Opponents are questioning the legality of this.

At first look, this bill does appear to be an improvement over ObamaCare and over previous GOP efforts. For one thing, it gives a lot of control of the spending to the states in the form of block grants. Unlike the feds, the states will not be able to spend more than that.

But given the time pressure to get the bill passed by Sep. 30, we have to pass the bill to find out what is in it.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Alaska Senator Murkowski also voted against the previous bill and is against this one. Those pushing this bill are trying to buy her vote with special treatment for Alaska and Hawaii. (Now being called the Alaska Purchase, like the Louisiana Purchase or the Cornhusker Kickback bribes from ObamaCare.) Opponents are questioning the legality of this.

At first look, this bill does appear to be an improvement over ObamaCare and over previous GOP efforts. For one thing, it gives a lot of control of the spending to the states in the form of block grants. Unlike the feds, the states will not be able to spend more than that.

But given the time pressure to get the bill passed by Sep. 30, we have to pass the bill to find out what is in it.

Solid analysis but without any sort of scoring from the CBO or...well... anyone. I don't have problems echoing McCain's thoughts on the issue. Generally speaking I like what's proposed in it.

[woodtoo]

GOPee suicide, time to pull the plug.

If McShame is so ill how can he travel the globe and still have the energy to party with Chuck and Nancy?

[jms62]

What is really interesting is that so many around here want this new bill. Horseplayers on average are well at an age where they will start breaking down. This new bill with its "Existing Condition Protection" will price you out of the market immediately... Not something I'd wish on my worst enemy. Really odd to see people passionately rooting against their best interest.

[davew]

McCain's cancer treatment must have given him some sort of brain damage because now he acts like he has the progressive disease.

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[upthecreek]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

McCain, Collins, and Paul are going to kill it.

Which is the smart move.

McCain is a good example of why they need to impose term and age limits

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