Trump Rips Socialism & Communism at U.N.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

What poor performance? We might be able to justifiably criticize Trump for some things, but poor performance isn't one of them. The economic indicators say the exact opposite, and the failures to date have been the failures of the Republicans, not him.

That one may not be directed at you. A large amount of people on here though immediately deflect away from all the idiotic things Trump says by pointing out what others have done. It's common. Just see the grown up discussion.

It also largely misses the point. Left-leaning posters on here that method works but with true conservatives who don't like Trump the posters on here don't know how to deal with them. Pointing out how bad Hillary would have been, how bad Obama was, how <insert whatever>, doesn't really work when we were critical of them as well.

To your first point. I didn't give Obama credit for the economy and I'm not giving it to Trump. Its a by-product of the key heads of the US government having a (R) next to their name.

Ok, so he's calling Un "Rocket Man". I'll agree that it seems un-Presidential to do so, particularly on that stage. But I do wonder if these things that we may not like him doing actually works. Public ridicule of a bully can be a good tactic.

I may be wrong and Trump may in fact be "brilliant." But political brinkmanship has been around a long time and he's not smarter than the ordinary natural response to such tirades. They inevitably lead to war. A war the American people, our allies, the world, and even his cabinet doesn't want. The actions of the international community right now are more a panicked reaction to Trump than to North Korea because at every turn he escalates it. That's quite clear.

As a Trump voter I can tell you that I didn't care about whether we actually were part of an international body but instead that if we were, that it work for us better and not have us always shoulder the financial and military (and human) cost. He's trying to improve that, and that's good by me.

This is Trump "doublespeak." It works because he says one thing to appease his base, "greatest UN speech ever" was said on here by some of his fanatics. While at the same time calling for a strengthening of a body those said fanatics can't stand. They latch onto the "communism and socialism are evil" and "rocket man" while completely ignoring his calling for a much stronger UN.

Finally, its awfully hard to lead by walking away.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

It works because he says one thing to appease his base, "greatest UN speech ever" was said on here by some of his fanatics.

Netanyahu said close to the same thing...guess he's a fanatic too...

Funny, the leader of Israel aligning himself with a well known White Supremacist/Nazi...what's this world coming to?

And therein lies my point. The absolute ABSURDITY of the anti-Trump movement and what they say about him completely destroys ANY and ALL rational discussion about the man and his presidency. On both sides. But the fault lies with the left-wing anti-Trumps, who are more extreme and more absurd than ANYONE in the right-wing (note, I didn't say far-right or far-left...I'm talking regular every day left-wing right-wing folks).

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Netanyahu said close to the same thing...guess he's a fanatic too...

Funny, the leader of Israel aligning himself with a well known White Supremacist/Nazi...what's this world coming to?

And therein lies my point. The absolute ABSURDITY of the anti-Trump movement and what they say about him completely destroys ANY and ALL rational discussion about the man and his presidency. On both sides. But the fault lies with the left-wing anti-Trumps, who are more extreme and more absurd than ANYONE in the right-wing (note, I didn't say far-right or far-left...I'm talking regular every day left-wing right-wing folks).

More deflection or unable to address literally anything I posted?

Netanyahu is awaiting his hand outs. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

The rest you are merely attempting to shift focus yet again to grounds you are more comfortable defending.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

More deflection or unable to address literally anything I posted?

Netanyahu is awaiting his hand outs. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

The rest you are merely attempting to shift focus yet again to grounds you are more comfortable defending.

Deflection? I directly addressed your main point, which was how Trump supporters deflect. What do you want them to do? Discuss absurdities? What a waste of time.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Deflection? I directly addressed your main point, which was how Trump supporters deflect. What do you want them to do? Discuss absurdities? What a waste of time.

That people deflect away from anything dumb Trump says and does by talking about someone or something else...?

YOU made my point. To every thing I wrote your response was...

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

That people deflect away from anything dumb Trump says and does by talking about someone or something else...?

YOU made my point. To every thing I wrote your response was...

And why do you think that is? Because you labeled people with enthusiastic responses to his speech as FANATICS...you want honest discussion but you come at it like that? Really?

[Dahoss9698]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

And why do you think that is? Because you labeled people with enthusiastic responses to his speech as FANATICS...you want honest discussion but you come at it like that? Really?

So on tilt....

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

So on tilt....

If you say so.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

And why do you think that is? Because you labeled people with enthusiastic responses to his speech as FANATICS...you want honest discussion but you come at it like that? Really?

You are on tilt.

You choose to take exception to one word that you feel unfairly described you while ignoring the main point which was Trumps double speak.

Then to get back to my deflection point you deflected away from everything with, "well Netanyahu liked it!"

[PaceAdvantage]

Yes, I'm on tilt. You've been reading too much Dahoss lately...

Carry on.

[Tom]

Trump doing well at home on abroad is just too much for some to accept.

PA, maybe you should consider a new forum - General Safe Zone.
Keep the AC on so the snowflake will not melt.

[BaffertsWig]

Originally Posted by Tom

Trump doing well at home on abroad is just too much for some to accept.

PA, maybe you should consider a new forum - General Safe Zone.
Keep the AC on so the snowflake will not melt.

It's funny how repugs use "snowflake" as their bread and butter insult when Dotard is the ultimate snowflake.

[Tom]

Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

[kingfin66]

Originally Posted by BaffertsWig

It's funny how repugs use "snowflake" as their bread and butter insult when Dotard is the ultimate snowflake.

You are on to something here. The Donald? No, The Dotard.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by BaffertsWig

It's funny how repugs use "snowflake" as their bread and butter insult when Dotard is the ultimate snowflake.

The best description of the humans on the left side is "BOOGER EATERS" They have grown up from that kid on the back of the bus picking his nose and eating it. DAHOSS/ Bafferts pubic hair , gives a class on this daily. They are the best of the bunch. They are the leaders in the anti handkerchief group.