Conservatives are frauds

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by delayjf

130 thousand to silence a porn star vs 1.5 billion ( in Cash) to support terrorism. Tough choice.

People tend to forget that that money was actually Iran's in the first place.

[NJ Stinks]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Yes. They have stooped to demeaning others values because they are void of values themselves.
It would be wonderful if they had a righteous platform to present or any platform other than hate and despair.
Lonesome losers they are.

Read and learn or don't learn. Somehow I think you would rather not.

Democrats given the chance tried to make sure every American could obtain health insurance. Surely even your selective memory can go back to 2010 when Obama and the Dems made that their primary goal. Contrast that with Trump and the GOP who made cutting taxes their Holy Grail - even if it hurt Americans who need help from the U.S. government the most.

But then maybe I don't know what the words like 'righteous' and 'despair' means. Maybe the GOP is right to think it's more important to cut taxes a lot for people who don't need the tax cuts than it is to make sure every American has access to medical care. Maybe the GOP is right to think it's more important to cut taxes a lot for people who don't need the tax cuts than it is to worry about Americans in despair who absolutely need food stamps and/or other entitlements to insure a decent quality of life.

I have no idea how you came to believe the rubbish you posted above, Woodtoo. Do you?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by NJ Stinks

Read and learn or don't learn. Somehow I think you would rather not.

Democrats given the chance tried to make sure every American could obtain health insurance. Surely even your selective memory can go back to 2010 when Obama and the Dems made that their primary goal. Contrast that with Trump and the GOP who made cutting taxes their Holy Grail - even if it hurt Americans who need help from the U.S. government the most.

But then maybe I don't know what the words like 'righteous' and 'despair' means. Maybe the GOP is right to think it's more important to cut taxes a lot for people who don't need the tax cuts than it is to make sure every American has access to medical care. Maybe the GOP is right to think it's more important to cut taxes a lot for people who don't need the tax cuts than it is to worry about Americans in despair who absolutely need food stamps and/or other entitlements to insure a decent quality of life.

I have no idea how you came to believe the rubbish you posted above, Woodtoo. Do you?

Since when do low to middle income taxpayers not need more money in their own pockets?

By the way Obamination Care also made sure that every illegal alien had access to health care as well.

And here's another little "factoid" for you: millions of young, healthy Americans could care less about having "access to medical care", yet were forced by mandate to buy something they did not want.

[NJ Stinks]

Originally Posted by boxcar

And here's another little "factoid" for you: millions of young, healthy Americans could care less about having "access to medical care", yet were forced by mandate to buy something they did not want.

Really? Who told you that? A little birdie?

Try reading and absorb. From Money magazine in 2015:


A lot has changed since 2011. More millennials have entered the workforce, and a greater number have become eligible for health benefits. Today, 83% of employees under 26 are eligible for health insurance at work, up 8.5% from five years ago. Still, fewer millennials have actually enrolled in their employers’ plans. In 2011, almost 57% of young millennials who were eligible for employer-subsidized health coverage took it; this year, only 44% did.

One sign that many of these young adults are ditching their employer’s plans for their family’s plan: Once employees are too old to stay their parents’ plans, they’re much more likely to sign up for employer coverage. Three-quarters of eligible employees aged 26 to 39 enrolled in an employer health plan, the survey found.

Happily, after widespread concerns that young people would not sign up for health insurance, the vast majority are now covered one way or another. Nationally, 83.2% of Americans aged 18 to 25 now have health insurance, up from 76.5% in the last quarter of 2014, according to a recent Gallup poll. Today, there are 4.5 million more insured young adults who would not otherwise had coverage, according to the White House.

link: http://time.com/money/3821525/health-insurance-age-26/

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by boxcar

The only thing you demonstrated is the density of your own skull since you can't see the difference between Clinton and Trump. With the former it was proven that he had had sex in the oval office, while with latter the allegations were never corroborated.

So...I thank you for putting your ignorance on public display.

So you think Trump never got a blow job in his private office when he was just another New York real estate guy? Or you just think he probably did but nobody proved it yet? Or do you think Trump would never be so crude?

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Since when do low to middle income taxpayers not need more money in their own pockets?

By the way Obamination Care also made sure that every illegal alien had access to health care as well.

And here's another little "factoid" for you: millions of young, healthy Americans could care less about having "access to medical care", yet were forced by mandate to buy something they did not want.

From HealthCare.gov: Undocumented immigrants aren’t eligible to buy Marketplace health coverage, or for premium tax credits and other savings on Marketplace plans. But they may apply for coverage on behalf of documented individuals.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Hey look, Dumpty, you first asked for me to provide some specific areas that I would target for tax cuts. I did. If you wanted more than that from the beginning, you should have broadened your request to include what you wanted. If I had known that you wanted me to do a research paper on the national budget, I wouldn't have bothered to entertain your request. But you didn't. So suck it up.

What part of "be specific" don't you understand? I never said "some specific". I said "specific", period.

You proposed a simplistic solution to a complex problem, a solution that can be tested before implementing it. As the claimant the test is your job. The test is not that hard and the data is available.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by HalvOnHorseracing

So you think Trump never got a blow job in his private office when he was just another New York real estate guy? Or you just think he probably did but nobody proved it yet? Or do you think Trump would never be so crude?

So...let me see...you're trying to draw a moral equivalency between a private citizen you speculate is lower than dirt because of what he may have done in his private office and a public official in high office known to be lower than a snake's belly because of what he actually did in the oval office when he was in power?

Are you overwhelmed by these feelings of desperation very often?

Also, you seem to have difficulty in understanding what I wrote about "lesser of two evils" a short while ago. There are no perfect moral beings in this world. So...given the choices we all have at the polling places, most of us ultimately choose who we think is the "lesser of two evils"...or we sit out the election (which I have done in the past). The only people who don't do this are those who think their candidate is God or who think that man, generally, is basically good by nature.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

What part of "be specific" don't you understand? I never said "some specific". I said "specific", period.

You proposed a simplistic solution to a complex problem, a solution that can be tested before implementing it. As the claimant the test is your job. The test is not that hard and the data is available.

And I provided "specific" areas -- twice in fact.

The next time you ask a question of me make sure you include everything you want to ask. I don't play rabbit trails.

Have a nice day.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by NJ Stinks

Really? Who told you that? A little birdie?

Try reading and absorb. From Money magazine in 2015:


A lot has changed since 2011. More millennials have entered the workforce, and a greater number have become eligible for health benefits. Today, 83% of employees under 26 are eligible for health insurance at work, up 8.5% from five years ago. Still, fewer millennials have actually enrolled in their employers’ plans. In 2011, almost 57% of young millennials who were eligible for employer-subsidized health coverage took it; this year, only 44% did.

One sign that many of these young adults are ditching their employer’s plans for their family’s plan: Once employees are too old to stay their parents’ plans, they’re much more likely to sign up for employer coverage. Three-quarters of eligible employees aged 26 to 39 enrolled in an employer health plan, the survey found.

Happily, after widespread concerns that young people would not sign up for health insurance, the vast majority are now covered one way or another. Nationally, 83.2% of Americans aged 18 to 25 now have health insurance, up from 76.5% in the last quarter of 2014, according to a recent Gallup poll. Today, there are 4.5 million more insured young adults who would not otherwise had coverage, according to the White House.

link: http://time.com/money/3821525/health-insurance-age-26/

Absorb this Joisey: The mandate ceases on January 1, 2019. In a couple of years get back to me with updated numbers.

P.S. It appears the tide is already turning.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/11/the-...rter-2017.html

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So...let me see...you're trying to draw a moral equivalency between a private citizen you speculate is lower than dirt because of what he may have done in his private office and a public official in high office known to be lower than a snake's belly because of what he actually did in the oval office when he was in power?

Are you overwhelmed by these feelings of desperation very often?

Watching you squirm here is hilarious.

Here was another flip on from the first quote of yours I shared... this time you're defending Newt.

Originally Posted by boxcar

The "reading room" in your house, therefore, must filled with tabloids, since you appear to only be interested in filling your mind with sleazy, salacious material. Explain to me, please, how a person's personal marriage life translates into whether he would make a good president or not.
Boxcar

Funny how your morality becomes REEEEAAAALLLL relative depending on party.

Have a good one!

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Watching you squirm here is hilarious.

Here was another flip on from the first quote of yours I shared... this time you're defending Newt.



Funny how your morality becomes REEEEAAAALLLL relative depending on party.

Have a good one!

"Squirm". You're not equipped to make me squirm.

The status of a person's marriage in his private life (prior to taking office) is not high on my radar for reasons I already explained, Mr. Perfect.

Additionally, what a person did in the past does not mean he hasn't changed since then. Personal growth is a process (something with which you're obviously not familiar).

What matters to me the most when voting for candidates is their stance on important issues and I try to listen very carefully to their present rhetoric and also compare that to their past rhetoric, as well.

What bothered me about Clinton is that he lied about his affair. Also, as a man holding the highest public office in the land, he should have been striving to be a role model for all Americans instead of bringing shame to the office, to himself and to his wife. If one can't serve the American people with dignity and honor, then that person should not seek public office.

But if the Slickster was so hard up to get off on someone because he was sick of Hillary, he could have taken trips to China to visit his beloved Chi-com comrades who would have certainly set him up very discretely with all the women he wanted to suit his fetishes, by simply requesting the favor from the leadership. And no one would have been the wiser.

You have a nice day, as well.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by boxcar

...

No.

That's not, at all, what you said in the other quote.

Nice try bud!

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Understand this once and for all: All human beings (including yourself) are sinners.

What I understand is that you have not only the supreme presumption to pass judgement on all human beings, but also claim to have the seemingly divine insight to determine the ranking of "sinners" as to the relative morality of their "sins".

Did you guys in the religion thread settle the issue of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and move on to ranking the seriousness of adultery based on your own criteria?

P.S. I have it on good authority from James Comey that I am not a sinner because of lack of intent.

[delayjf]

People tend to forget that that money was actually Iran's in the first place.

F That - Iranian funded terrorist organizations killed US military service men to include 241 Marines, Sailors and soldiers, wounding another 75. They then killed another 20 in the Kobal Tower attack wounding another 498 wounded - we owe them nothing.

Are you really OK with handling Hezbollah and other terrorists groups 1.5 billion on the pretext that its "their money". Would you give captured drug money back the cartels?