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07-23-2016, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
Sorry for the question, but I thought I heard a snippet on TVG passingly that Dortmund is like 100 pounds lighter than he was just a couple of months or so ago?
Just wondering if anybody had any news on him in his comeback race today while facing Chrome in the San Diego Handicap.
Was he just unfit and needed some training? Did he get sick? I just haven't heard any news on the big fella. Then again, maybe I heard it completely wrong.
Any info would be greatly appreciated. I tried the interwebz but couldn't find ****.
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He was found cast in his stall, got time off, came back, and then back on the shelf again from foot issues.
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07-24-2016, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Psychotic Parakeet
He was found cast in his stall, got time off, came back, and then back on the shelf again from foot issues.
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What does "found cast in his stall" mean?
Btw, I thought both CC and Dortmund ran well and both in good times yesterday. Nobody was going to beat CC in that race.
Any news on how they came out of that race?
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07-24-2016, 05:52 PM
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Usually when a horse cast themselves, they have lied down or rolled and can't get their feet back under themselves to get back up because they are stuck up against a wall.
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07-25-2016, 12:33 AM
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DORTMUND WEIGHT?
What is the BEYER for the SAN DIEGO HANDICAP?
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07-25-2016, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SPEEDHORSE
What is the BEYER for the SAN DIEGO HANDICAP?
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07-25-2016, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by olddaddy
A horses weight should be posted public knowledge like in japan and hong kong.
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Originally Posted by Bennie
generally if they lost weight, I would play against them.
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Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
... this SHOULD be public information. Important information oh by the way...Even as a 4YO for Dortmund, and I'm hearing something about him being 100 pounds lighter, or maybe even more, I want to know...
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While not trying to be argumentative, and genuinely wanting to know: you'd flip a decision based on weight? After going through the usual checks like class, form, pace, speed, trainer/jock stats, algorithms, computer output...you'd still say, "Can't do it; he's lost weight." Would you start with weight and eliminate one even before going through the usual drills? How many losing wagers would it take to begin thinking that maybe you've overthought it? To me, it's like handicapping off vet records; a foolish pursuit.
Since they do it in Asia, have there been any studies correlating weight and performance, or weight and wagering ROI? Or is it just an intuitive thing?
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07-25-2016, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by zico20
It was a great race. .
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Yeah It was OK but beisdes CC giving weight to D he always had him measured during the race. didn't give his all.
CC>D
thats just the way it is.
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07-25-2016, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
Yeah It was OK but beisdes CC giving weight to D he always had him measured during the race. didn't give his all.
CC>D
thats just the way it is.
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Way too early to say that IMO. One was coming off a longer layoff and some physical issues. The other came off a layoff, but it was planned. We'll see, Chrome was certainly the better horse on Saturday.
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07-25-2016, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by biggestal99
Yeah It was OK but beisdes CC giving weight to D he always had him measured during the race. didn't give his all.
CC>D
thats just the way it is.
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Both horses ran superb, and both trainers had them in excellent shape for this race off their respective layoffs. I agree with you that it seemed CC had him measured around the turn, but i don't agree that CC didn't give his all. They were both reaching and digging at the wire and both galloped out nicely together. It was a nice weekend to be a race fan...
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07-25-2016, 09:30 AM
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We already know how good Chrome is. We still don't know how good Dortmund is. He's still relatively lightly raced for a 4yo. He didn't have that full fall campaign at 3 to continue his development.
Another question is how he's going to come out of this race. That was a pretty hard race first after a long layoff. I'm not sure what that means. Maybe it will serve as a good prep and move him forward but maybe it was too much too soon and will set him back before he starts moving forward again.
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07-26-2016, 01:09 PM
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Dortmund's weight appeared to be spot on. Ran a huge race. In regards to someone mentioning horses weights should be published for the public, I'm not sure if that would help or hurt. Horses weight fluctuates greatly from day to day let alone week to week. I used to weigh my horses daily. Totally blew me away the fluctuations. And you can't see it on em either until it gets to a couple hundred pounds. Hell they can have 20 pounds of feces in em at any given time.
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07-26-2016, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by chadk66
Dortmund's weight appeared to be spot on. Ran a huge race. In regards to someone mentioning horses weights should be published for the public, I'm not sure if that would help or hurt. Horses weight fluctuates greatly from day to day let alone week to week. I used to weigh my horses daily. Totally blew me away the fluctuations. And you can't see it on em either until it gets to a couple hundred pounds. Hell they can have 20 pounds of feces in em at any given time.
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I remember when Freehold weighed standardbreds and tried to use the info. It was pretty useless IMO. Weights were all over the place and didn't seem to correspond at all to performance.
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07-26-2016, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
I remember when Freehold weighed standardbreds and tried to use the info. It was pretty useless IMO. Weights were all over the place and didn't seem to correspond at all to performance.
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that was kind of my inclination too. There is so much that comes into play. Higher heat times mean lighter horses but that also means they're all lighter weight. Winter the opposite. I just think it would be more clutter to sort through with no positives to it.
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07-26-2016, 01:53 PM
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I know I've said this before but I am a piss poor handicapper off of PP's etc. So rarely bet. Three years ago I spent four or five days in a row at Cby. Used PP's etc. the first day and I maybe cashed a couple tickets. So I gave up on that and just started looking at horses in the paddock and post parade and coming up with a horse I felt appeared to be in the right mind set and appeared physically to be ready to win. I backed that up with PP's to basically eliminate a horse on paper that really had no shot. I cashed far more tickets that way. I never bet any gimmick bets though just straight up WPS. It was kind of strange how that worked out.
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07-26-2016, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
Way too early to say that IMO. One was coming off a longer layoff and some physical issues. The other came off a layoff, but it was planned. We'll see, Chrome was certainly the better horse on Saturday.
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well D has only won 2 G1 races in his career; whereas CC has many G1 scalps in his belt. also CC was coming off a trip from the dreaded Meydan, which is a long way from Callie.
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