Gun Control poll

[MutuelClerk]

Our veterans need work. They don't all return broken. Hire the best of the best ARMED in every school. Make it a good paying job, after all they're going from protecting our country to protecting your kids. Put two in every school. These killers will stop preying on kids. This seems like a middle ground that most should be able to handle.

They will still attack though. Churches, malls, wherever people congregate. When this happens put them there too. Pretty soon we will be close to a police state, people will tire of having a solider on almost every corner. It will force politicians to react. Then and only then will the gun issue and the mental health issue get the attention they deserve and hopefully get resolved.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

More people are killed by knives than all rifles combined.

Originally Posted by Whosonfirst

Not even close if you include all firearms vs. knife murders per the fbi's database. Looking at five years from 2009-2013, total firearm deaths(murders) were 64.8k in US. vs. 8.3k for knives. I didn't find the last five years, but would venture a guess that it's probably worse.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s..._2009-2013.xls

I said RIFLE what part of that passed you by? It was in reference to the demonization of the so called "ASSAULT RIFLE." I was NEVER implying knives killed more people than GUNS.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

I said RIFLE what part of that passed you by? It was in reference to the demonization of the so called "ASSAULT RIFLE." I was NEVER implying knives killed more people than GUNS.

And over 60% of gun deaths in this country are suicides. I suspect that the rate of knife suicides is a bit lower.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_vi...tates#Suicides

[barahona44]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

I said RIFLE what part of that passed you by? It was in reference to the demonization of the so called "ASSAULT RIFLE." I was NEVER implying knives killed more people than GUNS.

The problem is that you were taking a subset (rifles) of a entire set (firearms) and comparing it to another entire set (knives).

[Clocker]

Oh no, a strong argument to get rid of the 2nd Amendment.

Peter Schiff says that the Russians are big fans of Americans having guns and killing each other. He says Russians were continually posting content on Facebook and other social media sites that were designed to pit Americans against one another.

They also trumpeted the Second Amendment. Apparently, the Russians are very big fans of our Second Amendment. They don’t particularly want a Second Amendment of their own, but they’re really glad that we have one. The Russians would be thrilled if we were doing nothing but killing each other every day, and sadly we are.

https://townhall.com/notebook/bethba...dment-n2444856

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by barahona44

The problem is that you were taking a subset (rifles) of a entire set (guns) and comparing it to another entire set (knives).

The point being made is all of this talk about "assault rifles" (and yes I'm still using quotes since I still don't know what it means and I build the things) is completely disingenuous. They do not cause that many murders in this country compared to knives or a different type of gun being completely ignored.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by barahona44

The problem is that you were taking a subset (rifles) of a entire set (firearms) and comparing it to another entire set (knives).

Good point. I'd guess that the homicide rate for death by butter knife is quite low, although I was unable to find any data on that. I suspect that the butter knife industry is suppressing that information.

And it points out that gun control advocates should stop using total firearms related deaths, including hand guns and shotguns, and including suicides, as "proof" that we need to ban "assault rifles".

[Tom]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

Unfortunately, voting anonymously in a poll doesn't represent the tone of this forum nearly as much as the constant alt-right chorus

Yeah, unlike YOUR side of the aisle, endless re-tweets and cartoons. At least the alt side knows how to talk for themselves.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

The point being made is all of this talk about "assault rifles" (and yes I'm still using quotes since I still don't know what it means and I build the things) is completely disingenuous.

The definition of an "assault rifle" is a conventionally functioning semi-automatic rifle whose evil-looking cosmetic features gets liberal panties in a twist.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Meaningful discussion is what we need, what we want is some new tweets from people no one knows.

Those anonymous tweeters have far more credibility here than the re-tweeter has!

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The definition of an "assault rifle" is a conventionally functioning semi-automatic rifle whose evil-looking cosmetic features gets liberal panties in a twist.

A friend of mine in California had some 100 round drums for .22 rifles sent here until he figured out logistics. Does that turn a .22 rifle into an assault rifle in liberal eyes? Or would they think it made it into a full auto Tommy submachine gun like in the 1920's gangster movies?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The definition of an "assault rifle" is a conventionally functioning semi-automatic rifle whose evil-looking cosmetic features gets liberal panties in a twist.

And typically black... which is racist to all the brown guns.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by Clocker

The definition of an "assault rifle" is a conventionally functioning semi-automatic rifle whose evil-looking cosmetic features gets liberal panties in a twist.

I wonder if anti gun liberals realize that any magazine feed weapon will hold as many rounds as the magazine allows, which is only determined by the size of the magazine, not by the base weapon itself. It seems to be a popular liberal misconception that the evil "assault rifle" holds more rounds than any other easily available weapon.

[Tom]

Liberalism lives in delusion.
Truth is only limited by the imagination.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

I wonder if anti gun liberals realize that any magazine feed weapon will hold as many rounds as the magazine allows, which is only determined by the size of the magazine, not by the base weapon itself. It seems to be a popular liberal misconception that the evil "assault rifle" holds more rounds than any other easily available weapon.

Some do. That's why the AWB of 1994 limited the sale of new magazines for any weapon, rifle or hand gun, to 10 rounds.

On the other hand, most gun grabbers appear to limit their concept of YUGE 20-30 round magazines to evil AR-15s and AK-47 lookalikes.

They don't understand that many other styles of rifles, like this Ruger Mini-14 Ranch rifle, can use 30 round magazines:



I don't know if they still carry them, or even if they are still in production, but back in the day you could buy one of these at Wal-Mart.