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05-19-2017, 04:32 PM
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TLG and Andy Beyer analyze the Preakness
Thought y'all might be interested.
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05-19-2017, 09:13 PM
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Thanks for posting. I would have missed it otherwise.
Listening to it, I was repeatedly thinking both of these guys know how to watch replays.
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05-19-2017, 10:18 PM
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Serling is a significantly better race watcher than Beyer.
His analysis of the Gotham is  elite.
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05-20-2017, 12:47 AM
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whereof one cannot speak thereof one must be silent
Ludwig Wittgenstein
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05-20-2017, 11:40 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Dittos!
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Who does the Racing Form Detective like in this one?
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05-20-2017, 02:36 PM
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I used to run into Andy at Belmont occasionally. One time, in 1987, Harvey Pack related that Andy said "No Groovy" in a race on a Saturday. Well Groovy won - and I saw Andy on the elevator on Sunday morning and said to him, "No Groovy, huh?" And he just laughed.
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05-20-2017, 06:57 PM
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Serling just nailed the Preakness exacta.
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05-20-2017, 06:58 PM
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He was on the winner since before the Derby was declared official...hope he crushed this race as he should have...
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05-20-2017, 07:18 PM
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I Couldn't understand Beyer's dis of Chad Brown as a Turf trainer.To me Brown is Frankel Jr-mainly turf horses but competent all around. Also, I do believe the obverse is true, some dirt track hot shot trainers can't get the job done on the turf and are good bet against, but if you show competency on the weeds you are set.
Last edited by RunForTheRoses; 05-20-2017 at 07:19 PM.
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05-20-2017, 07:33 PM
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All the same have to give Beyer credit for throwing out AD.
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05-20-2017, 09:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RunForTheRoses
I Couldn't understand Beyer's dis of Chad Brown as a Turf trainer.To me Brown is Frankel Jr-mainly turf horses but competent all around. Also, I do believe the obverse is true, some dirt track hot shot trainers can't get the job done on the turf and are good bet against, but if you show competency on the weeds you are set.
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He's won a gazillion graded turf races, and I think this is either his second or third G1 on dirt. Turf and dirt horses are trained differently, and I think Chad has been learning how to train dirt horses and probably got his diploma today.
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05-20-2017, 10:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
Serling just nailed the Preakness exacta.
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yes he did. I watched his piece on the NYRA channel analyzing the all stakes pick 4 at Pimlico....He was spot on the Preakness...Congrats TLG!!!!!
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05-21-2017, 08:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fager Fan
He's won a gazillion graded turf races, and I think this is either his second or third G1 on dirt. Turf and dirt horses are trained differently, and I think Chad has been learning how to train dirt horses and probably got his diploma today.
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Brilliant stuff here. Turf horses and dirt horses are trained differently? Quite a revelation.
The facts are that Brown has had mostly turf horses in his barn. But anyone who has been paying attention knows he can train a horse to win on anything.
Love guys that owned 5% of a horse once that are experts on every single subject online. Cue the bullying whine in 3....2....1
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05-21-2017, 10:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
Brilliant stuff here. Turf horses and dirt horses are trained differently? Quite a revelation.
The facts are that Brown has had mostly turf horses in his barn. But anyone who has been paying attention knows he can train a horse to win on anything.
Love guys that owned 5% of a horse once that are experts on every single subject online. Cue the bullying whine in 3....2....1
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Honestly, I think there are very few trainers who "can't train" on one surface or the other. Among other things, trainers ask each other for advice in unknown situations. And there isn't a lot you can do to "train" a horse for a grass race anymore anyway-- they don't even let horses workout or gallop on turf courses at many tracks.
The usual reason you see a trainer excel on one surface has to do with what's in his barn. I remember Wayne Lukas for years had no turf horses to speak of. Then Daniel Wildenstein started getting him some grass horses, and Lukas did fine with them (and did a great job with Steinlen). He later ended up winning the San Juan Capistrano with Marlin.
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05-21-2017, 07:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
Brilliant stuff here. Turf horses and dirt horses are trained differently? Quite a revelation.
The facts are that Brown has had mostly turf horses in his barn. But anyone who has been paying attention knows he can train a horse to win on anything.
Love guys that owned 5% of a horse once that are experts on every single subject online. Cue the bullying whine in 3....2....1
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You're such an ass.
Exactly what do you have to offer to the subject? Right, nothing, except to be an ass.
Talk to an actual trainer sometime, Einstein, and you might find out a few things.
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