Late Money at Keeneland

[Dahossdaboss]

9/2 to 5/2 in last minute on the recent winner of the 5th. Happened a few times since they opened yesterday.

That’s a pretty nice sized wager in the last minute or so to drop the odds like that

[sour grapes]

Originally Posted by Dahossdaboss

9/2 to 5/2 in last minute on the recent winner of the 5th. Happened a few times since they opened yesterday.

That’s a pretty nice sized wager in the last minute or so to drop the odds like that

where have you been,this has been happening at all tracks for years.

[Dahossdaboss]

Originally Posted by sour grapes

where have you been,this has been happening at all tracks for years.

I realize this. I just don’t remember it at Keeneland before.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Dahossdaboss

I realize this. I just don’t remember it at Keeneland before.

Agree, I mean it happens but it has been pretty extreme the first two days of the meet.

[Robert Fischer]

this one almost seemed like barn/owner $$.

20k claimer
trainer not a big name popular operation(where a whale may have tabs set up)
I don't know... Could have been a big bettor if it was an obvious ml overlay...

Tuned in late today, but looking at the Program, may have simply been a sharp horse running below his class.

Did he lose the horse ?

fudge it... looking up the chart

wow... was close for 1st... 'hard fought'

close call

Amoss/moss got him

they must be at the windows / i got shut out twice today as they were still loading on twinspires lag

[Robert Fischer]

wow, thought Vekoma was higher than 7/5 ..

[cutchemist42]

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[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Dahossdaboss

I realize this. I just don’t remember it at Keeneland before.

I talked about it last year in a race at Keeneland. Winning horse went from 11-1 in the gate to 9/2 or (or was it 7/2) at the wire...I was, as expected, pretty pissed off.

[cj]

Originally Posted by cutchemist42

https://twitter.com/Racingwithbruno/...60008308936705

Yep, seems odd for a place that it is supposedly tougher to get big rebates.

[Tom]

Racing loses credibility everytime this happens.
Too bad no one gives a crap about it in those meetings where we don't what they talk about.

Hookers and dope dealers have more cred than tracks do.

For what it's worth, no one will ever convince me betting after the gates open is not happening regularly. Why on earth would I believe anyone in the industry who tells me no?

[burnsy]

Originally Posted by Tom

Racing loses credibility everytime this happens.
Too bad no one gives a crap about it in those meetings where we don't what they talk about.

Hookers and dope dealers have more cred than tracks do.

For what it's worth, no one will ever convince me betting after the gates open is not happening regularly. Why on earth would I believe anyone in the industry who tells me no?

I don’t know if there’s post betting but some of these big bets (bettors) can bet at the last second. I won’t say “cheating” but once again it’s the “not really a problem “ attitude that makes it worse.

When you bet that kind of money , you don’t care about the odds as much , you just have to cash enough times.

I am a loose cannon, a guy that uses numbers to bet what my gut tells me. Kind of lazy but I can see things from different angles. That’s why I poke fun at people stuck on one horse or method. I am a dinosaur in a other words. It’s kind of how every advanced horse player used to play and exactas are still my main bet.

I was just wondering if any of the number people have studied the percentage of these kinds of horses winning or placing. I’m talking about the ones that take obvious hits as the race progresses. That’s what I want to know. What ratio of these horses win or place? Are there any numbers or solid evidence on the outcome. I usually only bet two tracks max at a time but it seems to me that these horses do pretty good. Which makes it kind of worse IMO.

[JeremyJet]

check out this report on the integrity of the wagering pools. I think this report was written in 2010, so i can just imagine what's going on these days.

integrity.pdf

[JeremyJet]

Originally Posted by JeremyJet

check out this report on the integrity of the wagering pools. I think this report was written in 2010, so i can just imagine what's going on these days.

Attachment 24417

I'm not sure if I posted that PDF correctly. Search for the following if you can't see the PDF:

Surveillance of Parimutuel Wagering Integrity Using Expert Systems and Machine Learning.

[cutchemist42]

Originally Posted by burnsy

I don’t know if there’s post betting but some of these big bets (bettors) can bet at the last second. I won’t say “cheating” but once again it’s the “not really a problem “ attitude that makes it worse.

When you bet that kind of money , you don’t care about the odds as much , you just have to cash enough times.

I am a loose cannon, a guy that uses numbers to bet what my gut tells me. Kind of lazy but I can see things from different angles. That’s why I poke fun at people stuck on one horse or method. I am a dinosaur in a other words. It’s kind of how every advanced horse player used to play and exactas are still my main bet.

I was just wondering if any of the number people have studied the percentage of these kinds of horses winning or placing. I’m talking about the ones that take obvious hits as the race progresses. That’s what I want to know. What ratio of these horses win or place? Are there any numbers or solid evidence on the outcome. I usually only bet two tracks max at a time but it seems to me that these horses do pretty good. Which makes it kind of worse IMO.

How is that not known yet? I bet it's atleast break even and if you include the rebate they are likely getting...

I do always like to have bet365 or orbitexchange open when watching the pools to see if anything seems out of the ordinary.

[Jeff P]

Just now, Mon 04-08-2019 -- Tote delay Parx R6:

Before the tote delay:
Exacta pool: 36k
Winning exacta combo 1-6: $57

After the tote delay:
Exacta pool: 68k
Winning exacta combo 1-6: $28

Any questions about the accuracy of late money?


-jp

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