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09-05-2017, 10:54 AM
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DACA
AG Sessions to make announcement on DACA at 11;00 today.
They tried to make this PDJTs' issue but he wisely tosses it back in the lap of Congress "to have and to hold"! Till death (of DACA) do they part.
The Big Ugly begins. 
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09-05-2017, 11:19 AM
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The executive order hokey pokey. I bet the former beneficiaries aren't nearly so big on this ridiculous way of enacting policy these days.
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09-05-2017, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by woodtoo
AG Sessions to make announcement on DACA at 11;00 today.
They tried to make this PDJTs' issue but he wisely tosses it back in the lap of Congress "to have and to hold"! Till death (of DACA) do they part.
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"Back in the lap of Congress"? It was never in Congress.
It was created by a presidential executive order, and it can be killed the same way. Handing it off to Congress is passing the buck.
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09-05-2017, 11:30 AM
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Trump passes the buck to Congress.
The program will be frozen, with no new applicants, and no change to those already in the program. Trump tells Congress to come up with a fix.
From the NY Times:
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The government will no longer accept new applications from undocumented immigrants to shield them from deportation under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, known as DACA, administration officials announced Tuesday. But officials said about 800,000 current beneficiaries of the program will not be immediately affected by what they called an “orderly wind down” of former President Barack Obama’s policy.
President Trump signaled the move early Tuesday morning in a tweet, then Attorney General Jeff Sessions formally announced the move to shift the responsibility for the immigration issue to lawmakers.
“The program known as DACA that was effectuated under the Obama administration is being rescinded,” Mr. Sessions told reporters, adding that “The policy was implemented unilaterally, to great controversy and legal concern.”
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09-05-2017, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
"Back in the lap of Congress"? It was never in Congress.
It was created by a presidential executive order, and it can be killed the same way. Handing it off to Congress is passing the buck.
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It is now. Get to work. Do something useful for a change, Congress!
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09-05-2017, 12:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clocker
"Back in the lap of Congress"? It was never in Congress.
It was created by a presidential executive order, and it can be killed the same way. Handing it off to Congress is passing the buck.
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Which was an overreach in EO powers in 2012. Congress Shall make Bills the President signs them into LAW or Veto's it.
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09-05-2017, 01:08 PM
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it's masterful on Trump's part. put it in the hands of those running for re-election next year. it'll bring more of the anti-trump R's out in the open and get them replaced.
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09-05-2017, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by chadk66
it's masterful on Trump's part. put it in the hands of those running for re-election next year. it'll bring more of the anti-trump R's out in the open and get them replaced.
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I just can't anymore... everything this guy does is "masterful."
Instead of just following through on a campaign promise he just punts it to his party. When the GOP gets pounded in midterms and he faces a democrat controlled Congress how much of his agenda do you really anticipate getting accomplished. "Masterful" is not the word I would use...
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09-05-2017, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
When the GOP gets pounded in midterms and he faces a democrat controlled Congress how much of his agenda do you really anticipate getting accomplished.
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You're bound to be right someday....maybe the midterms will be it.
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09-05-2017, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
You're bound to be right someday....maybe the midterms will be it.
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I was right on North Korea. They instantly crossed the red line and Mattis and Tillerson were stuck walking back his statement.
Or is this another masterful move on his part? It's a way of keeping everything the same.
What's your take on it? You voted for the guy and he promised to put an end to it.
Last edited by elysiantraveller; 09-05-2017 at 02:00 PM.
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09-05-2017, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I was right on North Korea. They instantly crossed the red line and Mattis and Tillerson were stuck walking back his statement.
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We'll see...you don't think Trump is going to do something in NK? Perhaps not everything is in place as of yet...
I'd be surprised if the red line crossing goes unpunished...when is the deadline by the way? I guess to you, it's come and gone already...
I give a little bit more leeway...but that's just me. Retaliation for crossing the red line doesn't necessarily have to be meted out within 12-24 hours...and sometimes it can't be...
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 09-05-2017 at 02:02 PM.
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09-05-2017, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
We'll see...you don't think Trump is going to do something in NK? Perhaps not everything is in place as of yet...
I'd be surprised if the red line crossing goes unpunished...when is the deadline by the way? I guess to you, it's come and gone already...
I give a little bit more leeway...but that's just me. Retaliation for crossing the red line doesn't necessarily have to be meted out within 12-24 hours...and sometimes it can't be...
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Hilarious.
With hours NK crossed it. Within hours both the Secretary of State and Defense were walking back the statement.
Again you voted for the guy how do you feel about him punting DACA?
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09-05-2017, 02:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
I just can't anymore... everything this guy does is "masterful."
Instead of just following through on a campaign promise he just punts it to his party. When the GOP gets pounded in midterms and he faces a democrat controlled Congress how much of his agenda do you really anticipate getting accomplished. "Masterful" is not the word I would use...
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it's his best shot to get pro trump people in office in the mid terms. and that's exactly what is going to happen.
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09-05-2017, 02:18 PM
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Mattis is playing KimJung like a fiddle. He's daring him to do something the whole world will condemn, then it will be carte Blanche
Trump put the DACA ball right where it belongs
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09-05-2017, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Hilarious.
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Why is everything hilarious with you? Are you OK?
I know you have to make a grand stand on everything Trump, because you were so wrong prior to the election...but really man...
Have at least a little perspective.
As for DACA, I have no clue as I haven't paid much if any attention to any of that.
Chalk it up to being a deplorable.
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