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Old 01-11-2019, 10:56 AM   #61
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That wasn't the point of the post you responded to. The point was that money spent on a wall is wasted if that money could be spent on more effective methods of stopping illegals. I have seen no evidence that Trump and his people are looking at such options. And it is hardly shocking that the Border Patrol is in favor of any action that send money their way.

And the Democrats are just as stubborn and narrow-minded on this issue as Trump is. So if they say money is the issue, I don't believe that either.
So you just dismiss the opinions of the people putting their lives on the line on the border as some kind political hacks looking to pad their budgets?
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:58 AM   #62
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Lol. 5,000,000,000 for more fencing in places that really don’t need it.

Where is most of fencing going to be installed. The Texas border.

They have a river there. And most of the land is inhospitable to humanity.

Waste of my and your cash.

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Ever see any videos of the border patrol chasing people who easily cross the river? Normandy was inhospitable to humanity.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:01 AM   #63
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I’m opposed because his supporters want it.





Well, there you have it. The answer to all of life's little problems.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:03 AM   #64
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Media bias

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...eports-on-wall

If KUSI was a mouthpiece for conservative ideas you could easily dismiss what CNN did. I was actually watching the newscast live when KUSI reported what CNN had done. Walls are working in San Diego but CNN doesn't want the "news" to get out.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:04 AM   #65
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I don't know if this has already been discussed, but I have been wondering. Does the government actually own the land (rights-of-way?) to build the wall? If not, how will that "discrepancy" be resolved. Eminent domain?
government has a 60' easement along the border they can do with what they please
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:05 AM   #66
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I seriously doubt that any appreciable number of US citizens along the border do not want a wall.

The US government wanted the Bundy land for uranium, not to protect its citizens. Protecting our borders is one of the very few actual responsibilities of the US government.

No land will need to be "seized" from anyone along the border. The Roosevelt Reservation of 1907 preserves 60 ft. of land along the US side of the border, it is effectively an easement.
It only takes a few...

If it was me I would be pissed. Land is a pretty sacred thing amongst the Right in this country.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:06 AM   #67
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Anyone who doesn't want the wall built along his back yard, we build it along his FRONT yard.

Easy peasy.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:07 AM   #68
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Here is an idea - why not spend some of this time that both sides have on their hands to discuss WHERE and WHAT TYPE of barriers would be most effective and build where it makes sense and not where it doesn't. And involve those who do the partols in the discussion?
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:09 AM   #69
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It only takes a few...

If it was me I would be pissed. Land is a pretty sacred thing amongst the Right in this country.
Secondary to national security.
Nice dodge. Since when do you give a S* about what the right thinks?
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government has a 60' easement along the border they can do with what they please
Its been mentioned that along the Rio Grande several places where wall is being built is being done so on land outside of easement areas...

Here is one example:

Trump’s border wall threatens to end Texas family’s 250 years of ranching on Rio Grande

Now I'm sure some people will be fine with a wall... others won't... their objections though aren't irrelevant.
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Secondary to national security.
Nice dodge. Since when do you give a S* about what the right thinks?
I own a lot of land... its not a dodge... its a valid reason. Forcing people off of their property is a big deal.

Property ownership is a founding principle of our Democracy. Its one thing if a elected Congress votes to do it.

Its an entirely different thing if a President circumvents Congress and attempts to do it by legal loophole. That's authoritarianism.
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If they have objections, let them post them in this thread - where you won't.
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If they have objections, let them post them in this thread - where you won't.
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Go back and watch the video I posted. Parts of this wall are already under construction. That will answer all of your concerns regarding plans and specs.
not part of my dna..need solid information from the government plans and specs..

by the way, how was this wall you are referring to funded?
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