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12-21-2018, 10:16 AM
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We can't get out of Syria and the middle east fast enough.
Our strategy should be to slowly withdraw.
Instead of spending trillions of dollars on bases and wars inflaming people and creating terrorists among groups that don't want us there, all to protect oil reserves for ourselves and our economic partners, we should be spending some of that becoming energy independent. Let the middle east drown in its oil.
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12-21-2018, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
We can't get out of Syria and the middle east fast enough.
Our strategy should be to slowly withdraw.
Instead of spending trillions of dollars on bases and wars inflaming people and creating terrorists among groups that don't want us there, all to protect oil reserves for ourselves and our economic partners, we should be spending some of that becoming energy independent. Let the middle east drown in its oil.
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Yeah... none of this is really what Syria is about.
 Our involvement doesn't really cost us anything there.
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12-21-2018, 10:26 AM
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Here ya go...
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you are confused with 0bama's ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant)...
ISIS is a worldwide terrorist organization with 'snipers' around the world.
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12-21-2018, 10:28 AM
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you are confused with 0bama's ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant)...
ISIS is a worldwide terrorist organization with 'snipers' around the world.
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No.
They are the same thing.
ISIS: Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (Levant)
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12-21-2018, 10:32 AM
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Because...the Syrian people are being tortured, bombed and gassed by a tyrant every bit as evil as Saddam Hussein and as leader of the free world and commander in chief of our armed forces he has the power to relieve their suffering...that’s why.
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All true, and how did we respond? We hit them with Cruise missiles. We can do that all day. We only have 2000 troups in Syria - less than a brigade operating as advisers. We still have over 5000 troops in Iraq that could deploy into Syria if needed. We can also go back in if need be.
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12-21-2018, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by delayjf
All true, and how did we respond? We hit them with Cruise missiles. We can do that all day. We only have 2000 troups in Syria - less than a brigade operating as advisers. We still have over 5000 troops in Iraq that could deploy into Syria if needed. We can also go back in if need be.
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So we decide to just go back after our key partner (the one doing all the heavy lifting) in the fight against ISIS gets hammered by the Turks or goes over to the Russians and Iranians?
Like you said... our investment is already minimal... withdrawal makes absolutely zero sense.
Super low risk / Potentially great payoff
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12-21-2018, 10:41 AM
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Yeah... none of this is really what Syria is about.
Our involvement doesn't really cost us anything there. |
We wouldn't have to give a crap about the influence or alignments among Syria, Russia, Iran, Turkey, Assad, ISIS, or anyone else in the region if we and our economic partners weren't interested in the oil and how to move it around. We are actually creating some of the conflict by our mere presence among groups that despise each other and us for being there.
That whole region is made up of artificial borders that threw groups of people together in artificial ways. It's a testament to how globalism and getting involved where you don't belong does not work at this stage in human history.
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12-21-2018, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
We wouldn't have to give a crap about the influence or alignments among Syria, Russia, Iran, Turkey, Assad, ISIS, or anyone else in the region if we and our economic partners weren't interested in the oil and how to move it around. We are actually creating some of the conflict by our mere presence among groups that despise each other and us for being there.
That whole region is made up of artificial borders that threw groups of people together in artificial ways. It's a testament to how globalism and getting involved where you don't belong does not work at this stage in human history.
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TIL we shouldn't have fought ISIS.
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12-21-2018, 10:48 AM
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Wait... wut?
AP: Trump call with Turkish leader led to US pullout from Syria
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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo arranged the Dec. 14 call a day after he had unsuccessfully sought clarity from Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu about Erdogan’s threats to launch a military operation against U.S.-backed Kurdish rebels in northeast Syria, where American forces are based.
Pompeo, Mattis and other members of the national security team prepared a list of talking points for Trump to tell Erdogan to back off, the officials said.
But the officials said Trump, who had previously accepted such advice and convinced the Turkish leader not to attack the Kurds and put U.S. troops at risk, ignored the script. Instead, the president sided with Erdogan.
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uh... huh...
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Caught off guard, Erdogan cautioned Trump against a hasty withdrawal, according to one official. While Turkey has made incursions into Syria in the past, it does not have the necessary forces mobilized on the border to move in and hold the large swaths of northeastern Syria where U.S. troops are positioned, the official said.
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"Please don't do it too quickly, Mr. President... I'm not mobilized to carry out a campaign against your main ally yet."
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12-21-2018, 11:19 AM
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TIL we shouldn't have fought ISIS.
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ISIS exists partially because of us, but even if it came into existence on it's own as a political movement, it would have no impact on us except that we choose to try to influence the region because of oil.
If countries in the region asked us for our help in battling ISIS, then it would be on us to decide whether it's our business or not and whether it's in our interests or not.
It's a 3 issue area.
1. Oil
2. Security of Israel
3. Artificial Borders.
Israel has nukes and our backing. It's a non issue other than attempts by people to influence our policy with rhetoric.
We can't do anything about #3 except try to talk sense into them. They are going to learn to get along or fight to the death and redraw the maps.
Become energy independent and #1 goes away.
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12-21-2018, 11:20 AM
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Wow, just wow!!!!!
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They are going over the edge fast! 
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12-21-2018, 11:22 AM
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Why should he care about Syrians?
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Funny how the left was dead set against fighting Al Qeda there, but are whining about leaving now.
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12-21-2018, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
We can't get out of Syria and the middle east fast enough.
Our strategy should be to slowly withdraw.
Instead of spending trillions of dollars on bases and wars inflaming people and creating terrorists among groups that don't want us there, all to protect oil reserves for ourselves and our economic partners, we should be spending some of that becoming energy independent. Let the middle east drown in its oil.
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Gee, that is pretty much what the LEFT has been whining about for decades.
NOW we have to be there!
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12-21-2018, 11:27 AM
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If they're celebrating then they're stupid....Never mind, they're stupid anyway.. |
Mad dog Mattis, that extreme lefty disagrees.
You are allowed to disagree with the president and not be called stupid.
It called a disagreement among citizens.
BTW, did you see the house flip in the midterms.
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12-21-2018, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
ISIS exists partially because of us, but even if it came into existence on it's own as a political movement, it would have no impact on us except that we choose to try to influence the region because of oil.
If countries in the region asked us for our help in battling ISIS, then it would be on us to decide whether it's our business or not and whether it's in our interests or not.
It's a 3 issue area.
1. Oil
2. Security of Israel
3. Artificial Borders.
Israel has nukes and our backing. It's a non issue other than attempts by people to influence our policy with rhetoric.
We can't do anything about #3 except try to talk sense into them. They are going to learn to get along or fight to the death and redraw the maps.
Become energy independent and #1 goes away.
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Absolutely none of this post-colonial critique on world affairs addresses the fact they are the current affairs.
Continued presence in Syria does actually address 2 and 3 by the way.
You can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality...
You're playing the if only game... I'm playing the live version.
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