Investigate who? Oh know.....

[davew]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I have a hunch tomorrow report is going to make the President and his team look like a bunch of ****ing morons.

I have a hunch the morons will be MSNBC, CNN, Schiff, and democrat leadership especially when their leak buddies start getting fiired or jailed from FBI/DOJ.

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Its classic moving of the goal posts...

You started with spying absent of any facts. Now were talking about Obama/Hillary conspiracies...

Okay though I'll play.

I could say Glenn Simpson a guy who peddles intelligence meeting with intelligence people isn't really all that shocking... but I won't.

You want to get to this Obama/Hillary/Deep State conspiracy to "get Trump" so let's roll with it. Let's assume that Obama and Hillary have decided to demonstrate a level cunning and gamesmanship never once demonstrated in their political careers to launch this operation.

They fly in the Russian.

They pass information to Fusion and the Russian.-

They get the Russian to set up the meeting at Trump Tower.

They've laid the trap...

What is Donald to do to avoid this double secret conspiracy?

I don't know... maybe call the FBI and say Russian spies are trying to meet with him?

In your version... he's still a idiot.

I never said Obama or Clinton orchestrated the Insurance Policy. There are dark players within that do not change from Administration to Administration. Even you with your blind hate have seen the shady shit that's been playing out...

[Tom]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Also...



Stop being so hysterical.

Google is your friend.
Use it.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I'd offer a wager on it but I know you'd welch.

The report will be pretty narrow with a lot of stuff showing complete lack of competence and ethics by Trump/Campaign.

It will show Trump made several attempts to obstruct justice that while troubling to any normal American wouldn't pass the tight prosecutorial standard Barr selected.

It delivered in spades.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by tucker6

Suicide watch for Ely or turn away and let fate take its course?

j/k Ely. Maybe...


Tomorrow will be delicious, and if a couple guests on Hannity are anywhere close to correct (and they have been), then Obama's WH started this campaign against Trump in January 2016, a full six months before what we previously thought was the start date.

I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

It delivered in spades.

It delivered nothing.
Trump did not collude, He did not obstructs.
Nothing else matters.

It never did.
You just moved the goalposts to a JV game.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

It delivered nothing.
Trump did not collude, He did not obstructs.
Nothing else matters.

It never did.
You just moved the goalposts to a JV game.

There was most certainly collusion... That's basically all Volume I and II are....

Conspiracy?

No. There wasn't any evidence of that. That is good... albeit a pretty low bar given all the statements (lies) Trump has made the past two years.

As far as Obstruction?

Eeek... you're really going full Trump favoritism here.

[davew]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

It delivered in spades.

Only if you are racist and think a team winning a presidential election is collusion against the 'most qualified candidate ever'.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by davew

Only if you are racist and think a team winning a presidential election is collusion against the 'most qualified candidate ever'.

Some of us are playing the "team" game...

I think my posting history demonstrates I'm not one of those.

Tribalism is real though. Any other era and this would be crippling... not anymore.

[newtothegame]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

There was most certainly collusion... That's basically all Volume I and II are....

Conspiracy?

No. There wasn't any evidence of that. That is good... albeit a pretty low bar given all the statements (lies) Trump has made the past two years.

As far as Obstruction?

Eeek... you're really going full Trump favoritism here.

Mueller, Barr, and Rosenstein disagree with you....
Ill trust their opinions....

But you just hang on to your fantasies.....

Maybe AOC will bring charges!!!

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by newtothegame

Mueller, Barr, and Rosenstein disagree with you....
Ill trust their opinions....

But you just hang on to your fantasies.....

Maybe AOC will bring charges!!!

What findings do they disagree with?

Barr certainly disagrees with the Obstruction one but I've stated he's using a very narrow way of interpreting it.

Barr also admitted that he and Rosenstein didn't agree.

Finally, it looks like Mueller was punting to Congress.

What do I have that's factually incorrect in the quoted post?

[newtothegame]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

What findings do they disagree with?

Barr certainly disagrees with the Obstruction one but I've stated he's using a very narrow way of interpreting it.

Barr also admitted that he and Rosenstein didn't agree.

Finally, it looks like Mueller was punting to Congress.

What do I have that's factually incorrect in the quoted post?

Show me the charges brought by special prosecutor Mueller!!!

Your stretch (to wish for charges) does NOT mean that they can be proven or that they happened. You bring in lines to the effect that ...(any normal person can see that)....

Yeah, well any normal person can see where the conversation went on the tarmac....
Any normal person can see why the Ukraine government want to tell us all about the DNC and their influence into the election.....(but you're not interested in that)....
Wonder why ??? I thought you were all about people attempting to influence our elections??? Guess that narrative is shot to hell unless you preface it with "when it fits my narrative and agenda"....

You talk about the "emperor having no clothes"....lol.
I can name someone else with none that everyone here can see right through....
Hint, names starts with ELY.....

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by newtothegame

Show me the charges brought by special prosecutor Mueller!!!

We'll stop there as its just "look over here instead" nonsense...

Per the report:

Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

In sum, contrary to the position taken by the President's counsel, we concluded that, in light of the Supreme Court precedent governing separation-of-powers issues, we had a valid basis for investigating the conduct at issue in this report. In our view, the application of the obstruction statutes would not impermissibly burden the President's performance of his Article II function to supervise prosecutorial conduct or to remove inferior law-enforcement officers. And the protection of the criminal justice system from corrupt acts by any person-including the President-accords with the fundamental principle of our government that "[n]o [person] in this country is so high that he is above the law."

Mueller punted to Congress. Makes the argument for that in Volume II and if Barr hadn't inserted himself into the process that would be the discussion today.

Not "NO OBSTRUCTION NO COLLUSION" which at this point are pretty laughable positions.

[delayjf]

Mueller punted to Congress. Makes the argument for that in Volume II and if Barr hadn't inserted himself into the process that would be the discussion today.

Done for the sole purpose of keeping the controversy going. Now that we are going to start looking into the genesis of the investigation, we will find out the true corruption behind the Mueller investigation and Hillary Clinton.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by delayjf

Done for the sole purpose of keeping the controversy going. Now that we are going to start looking into the genesis of the investigation, we will find out the true corruption behind the Mueller investigation and Hillary Clinton.

Dude... read the report.

If you actually read the thing you'd realize the "Genesis of the report" is probably the dumbest argument ever.

There were RED FLAGS everywhere!

Kudos to Team Trump for not getting involved in a actually conspiracy.

**** Team Trump for this charade of the past two years and especially **** them for not speaking out to proper authorities about all of the contacts between them and the Russian operatives when it was happening.

What's even more shocking is the Report doesn't even contain the operations of our counter-intelligence agencies...