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11-07-2018, 06:57 PM
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You mean the one where the DOJ was forced to comply by Judge ruling?
Okay.
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Hey. I'm all for the Mueller investigation to keep churning right along.
The longer the better as far as I'm concerned. 
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11-07-2018, 06:58 PM
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And if the DOJ refuses to enforce a subpoena issued by Congress...?
Like I said... have fun with that.
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Then Congress can enforce a civil penalty including imprisonment, but not against the executive branch. So Congress is out of luck as it cannot enforce a civil penalty against the President.
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11-07-2018, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
With a new acting A.G. expect the declassification of the FISA application, as Rosenstein lost any ability to block the application from becoming public.
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As well as releasing the letter that outlines the scope of Mueller's investigation.
Rosenstein still has an important role at DOJ.
Somebody has to get the coffee.
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11-07-2018, 07:03 PM
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Too bad, for Romney, it is in the purview of the DOJ and not the legislature. Romney can say anything he wants, but Mueller's authority and funding is totally dependent on Whitaker.
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We call that separation of powers.
It was covered in the chapter right after the Electoral College and Gerrymandering, for the left who may not understand.
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11-07-2018, 07:10 PM
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Then Congress can enforce a civil penalty including imprisonment, but not against the executive branch. So Congress is out of luck as it cannot enforce a civil penalty against the President.
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But it can against Administration officials.
I don't think it matters all that much though... that gets very far into the weeds for the President's legal team I doubt they have any appetite for it.
Plus as long as Mueller remembers his case Congress can just subpoena everyone it wants anyway and carry out its own investigation.
Mueller with a Democrat House is basically untouchable at this point.
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11-07-2018, 07:15 PM
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But it can against Administration officials.
I don't think it matters all that much though... that gets very far into the weeds for the President's legal team I doubt they have any appetite for it.
Plus as long as Mueller remembers his case Congress can just subpoena everyone it wants anyway and carry out its own investigation.
Mueller with a Democrat House is basically untouchable at this point.
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Is that why cryin' Chuck is already crying about Mueller?
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11-07-2018, 07:19 PM
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Is that why cryin' Chuck is already crying about Mueller?
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said on Wednesday that acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker, who was appointed by President Donald Trump after he fired Jeff Sessions, should recuse himself from oversight of the Russia probe.
“Given his previous comments advocating defunding and imposing limitations on the Mueller investigation, Mr. Whitaker should recuse himself from its oversight for the duration of his time as acting attorney general,” Schumer said in a statement.
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I mean... that isn't really wrong.
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11-07-2018, 07:23 PM
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UpChuck should recuse himself from the Senate.
HE swore a NO vote on Kavanaugh before the hearings ever began.
Firings have consequences.
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11-07-2018, 07:24 PM
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I mean... that isn't really wrong.
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But you said Mueller is untouchable. Why is cryin' Chuck crying? Why does he want Whitaker to recuse himself from overseeing the Mueller investigation, if Mueller is untouchable?
Read my opening post about Rosenstein and Mueller's conflicts. Whitaker has no conflict and will not recuse himself. He is not as gullible as Sessions.
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11-07-2018, 07:25 PM
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But you said Mueller is untouchable. Why is cryin' Chuck crying? Why does he wnat Whitaker too recuse himself from overseeing the Mueller investigation, if Mueller is untouchable?
Read my opening post about Rosenstein and Mueller's conflicts. Whitaker has no conflict and will not recuse himself. He is not as gullible as Sessions.
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Mueller is untouchable because there is a Democrat House now.
Trump can fire him whenever he wants... he said so many times today... nobody is arguing that.
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11-07-2018, 07:30 PM
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You are contradicting yourself.
He can't be untouchable if Trump can fire him.
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11-07-2018, 07:35 PM
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Mueller is untouchable because there is a Democrat House now.
Trump can fire him whenever he wants... he said so many times today... nobody is arguing that.
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The House has no authority over Mueller. Mueller's position is by appointment by the DoJ and he is subject to the DoJ and the President as the DoJ is part of the executive branch.
Mueller cannot even give his findings to Congress, he has to give them to the acting A.G.
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11-07-2018, 07:37 PM
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You are contradicting yourself.
He can't be untouchable if Trump can fire him.
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Actually it is the President that is untouchable.
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11-07-2018, 07:38 PM
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You are contradicting yourself.
He can't be untouchable if Trump can fire him.
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The new House then hires him Day 1.
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11-07-2018, 07:43 PM
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The new House then hires him Day 1.
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As a criminal prosecutor? There is no statutory authority for such a scenario and that would clearly be a violation of the separation of powers.
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