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Gamblin4ever · 06-10-2021, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Scanman

I'm sure you are right. Though, I still believe it's too early to tell. Like you, I seldomly would bet a MP race. Most of my play is on UK/Irish and Australian racing, where I have carved out my niche.

I found the "no whip" experiment interesting and worth a try. I felt the same way so many years ago with synthetic tracks. By in large, they have worked out. Some like them and some don't. Some won't play them and some play them exclusively because they worked out an angle that made them successful. In time, I think the same will be true with tracks that don't allow whipping, provided this inititive prevails.

I am ambivalent concerning Baffert. He deserves his "due process" and maybe some believe he's already had it concerning his past medication violations. In reality, I don't think you'll see him enter many there, less the Haskell.

You must be getting ready for Royal Ascot? Large competitive fields usually.

Dave Schwartz · 06-10-2021, 10:31 AM

FWIW:

I am a purely systematic player.
Typically, MTH produces some of my best results.
This year the results make no sense.
My plays are just not in contention at the finish.

Scanman · 06-10-2021, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gamblin4ever

You must be getting ready for Royal Ascot? Large competitive fields usually.

For sure. But today, my focus is Leopardstown.

castaway01 · 06-10-2021, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

LOL...as if...

Way! No, way! Not way. Yeah, this site sucks now. It's not your fault, but racing and most of its fans are dead. I will leave it to you, Nitro, and CheckMark for the circle jerk.

biggestal99 · 06-13-2021, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by alhattab

Al- I mentioned in posts 53 et seq that one has to look at other tracks to get a true read on why Mth handle is what it is on any given day. The TDN analysis did not get into this but it is definitely a factor.

Yesterday. Handle was 5,682,880.

Allan

biggestal99 · 06-13-2021, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

FWIW:

I am a purely systematic player.
Typically, MTH produces some of my best results.
This year the results make no sense.
My plays are just not in contention at the finish.

How are you picks at other tracks doing?

Allan

alhattab · 06-13-2021, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by biggestal99

Yesterday. Handle was 5,682,880.

Allan

Handle was $6.2M. Off track was the $5.7 you cite (if you used DRF charts you need to add the 2 figs together). Nice comp v the $4.7 from same Sat in 2019. Both days fast/firm. Saturday's card was pretty good (of course I missed it) and also featured the annual pick your prize contest which included Mth races only. Some nice spice Sunday with the carryovers! Good luck

pandy · 06-13-2021, 08:33 AM

Veteran jockey Ferrer, the current leading rider, is on fire at Monmouth. Yesterday he had 4 more winners including three price horses, 79-1, 14-1, 5-1.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/r...f-whip-debate/

GMB@BP · 06-13-2021, 10:55 AM

We will see how it shakes out for many tracks the next several months. I didnt think it was the whips but maybe I am wrong.

Boomer · 06-13-2021, 12:15 PM

Huge p5 carryover today. Join Monmouth thread in handicapping section

alhattab · 06-13-2021, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GMB@BP

We will see how it shakes out for many tracks the next several months. I didnt think it was the whips but maybe I am wrong.

$4.8M today puts today's comp about between the June 9 and June 16 (Father's Day) 2019 figs. Not bad. Bolstered by the carryovers today. If weather is good, Father's Day will be real interesting. 24k on track and $5.4M total handle 2019. Would be surprised to see 1/2 that much in attendance this year with no BYO.

taxicab · 06-13-2021, 08:39 PM

You might make the case that the whip rule cost NY Traffic in the Salvatore Mile yesterday.
NYT turned for home and instantly started lollygagging around.
Paco Lopez did everything he could trying to get NYT to eyeball the horses nearest him........but Informative snuck on by on the inside.

alhattab · 06-13-2021, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by taxicab

You might make the case that the whip rule cost NY Traffic in the Salvatore Mile yesterday.
NYT turned for home and instantly started lollygagging around.
Paco Lopez did everything he could trying to get NYT to eyeball the horses nearest him........but Informative snuck on by on the inside.

Yes heard a few folks suggest that today. I guess we will really never know in an6 race with any horse, but I get it. Just another variable!

Scanman · 06-14-2021, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by taxicab

You might make the case that the whip rule cost NY Traffic in the Salvatore Mile yesterday.
NYT turned for home and instantly started lollygagging around.
Paco Lopez did everything he could trying to get NYT to eyeball the horses nearest him........but Informative snuck on by on the inside.

Respectfully, I have to disagree. At the 1/8 pole Lopez allowed NYT's head to be cocked right, looking towards the stand. He should have been on his left rein much sooner. It wasn't until Lopez saw Informative coming on the inside that he straightened out NYT, whereby NYT tried to re-engage Informative. But by that time, it was too late and Informative held sway.

I thought Ferrer rode a fabulous race. Informative closed up in his last race and ran a competitive number. The race set up for him nicely. I don't think Lopez rode a bad race, apart from his lapse of focus around the 1/8th pole.

Perhaps, NYT is the type of horse that needs to be waited with and produced late. Proof of that is NYT's race in the Matt Winn at CD (23May20). BTW, in that race, just before the 1/8th pole, Lopez hit NYT twice left-handed causing NYT to veer 4 paths to the right.

One thing is for sure, hitting NYT was not going to make him run faster or stay focused. He's already proven that.

taxicab · 06-14-2021, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Scanman

Respectfully, I have to disagree. At the 1/8 pole Lopez allowed NYT's head to be cocked right, looking towards the stand. He should have been on his left rein much sooner. It wasn't until Lopez saw Informative coming on the inside that he straightened out NYT, whereby NYT tried to re-engage Informative. But by that time, it was too late and Informative held sway.

I thought Ferrer rode a fabulous race. Informative closed up in his last race and ran a competitive number. The race set up for him nicely. I don't think Lopez rode a bad race, apart from his lapse of focus around the 1/8th pole.

Perhaps, NYT is the type of horse that needs to be waited with and produced late. Proof of that is NYT's race in the Matt Winn at CD (23May20). BTW, in that race, just before the 1/8th pole, Lopez hit NYT twice left-handed causing NYT to veer 4 paths to the right.

One thing is for sure, hitting NYT was not going to make him run faster or stay focused. He's already proven that.

Wrong.
Watch Paco's head as on the turn for home......and then another half dozen times in the stretch.
He's actually steering NYT towards towards the outside runners........and then when Informative appears on the scene he steers NYT to the inside.