Epidemiologist: Why Lockdowns Are The Wrong Policy

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by hcap

Have you ever thought of blowing your brains out? Inhale, grab a tissue and exhale and save us the insanity of your erroneous inaccurate babblings.

Most of us have been waiting for you to do that.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Tom

And just how does a computerized health care system prevent a contagious disease?

Maybe people infected just do not go to many s***hole countries!

My GAWD, you are so pathetic.....

Please feel free to provide SPECIF action take to stop the spread in those places......SPECIFIC or shout up.

I said.....

There are fears and concerns it has not really hit third world countries with compromised healthcare systems.

Not that a "a computerized health care system prevent a contagious disease"

[hcap]

Originally Posted by fast4522

Most of us have been waiting for you to do that.

Sorry to disappoint.

Boxcar, IMO is the lowest of the low. We have had words, lots of words.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by hcap

Update Sweden

Sweden says its coronavirus approach has worked. The numbers suggest a different story
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europ...ntl/index.html

Sweden has registered 18,640 coronavirus cases and 2,194 deaths among its population of 10.3 million people.
Denmark has had 8,773 cases and 422 deaths in a population of 5.8 million, Norway 7,449 cases and 202 deaths among its 5.4 million people, and Finland 4,576 cases and 190 deaths in its population of 5.5 million.

Sweden needs a lot more time to see if their policy is right

"Herd Immunity" takes a while and cost lives

3-5 times deaths per 100k residents of other Scandinavian countries

Measuring the effect of the virus on a city or country one could take the deaths occurred over a period of time in one year to the historical norm. So if during April NYC has 5,000 deaths and their historical average is 2,500 one could reasonably conclude that Covid 19 was responsible for much of the 100% increase. There was a study done showing how a lot of countries are fairing. You'll never guess which one is doing the best.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...h=login-google

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Measuring the effect of the virus on a city or country one could take the deaths occurred over a period of time in one year to the historical norm. So if during April NYC has 5,000 deaths and their historical average is 2,500 one could reasonably conclude that Covid 19 was responsible for much of the 100% increase. There was a study done showing how a lot of countries are fairing. You'll never guess which one is doing the best.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...h=login-google

I like how its all countries, except for New York.

Conveniently leave out the rest of the united states. Does not support the agenda.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

I like how its all countries, except for New York.

Conveniently leave out the rest of the united states. Does not support the agenda.

What agenda would that be? I like that it makes Sweden look great despite not implementing any lockdown of their society.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Measuring the effect of the virus on a city or country one could take the deaths occurred over a period of time in one year to the historical norm. So if during April NYC has 5,000 deaths and their historical average is 2,500 one could reasonably conclude that Covid 19 was responsible for much of the 100% increase. There was a study done showing how a lot of countries are fairing. You'll never guess which one is doing the best.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...h=login-google

The most significant finding is deaths from covid-19 are under counted!!!..

"In the last month, far more people died in these countries than in previous years, The New York Times found. The totals include deaths from Covid-19 as well as those from other causes, likely including people who could not be treated as hospitals became overwhelmed.

...These numbers undermine the notion that many people who have died from the virus may soon have died anyway. In Paris, more than twice the usual number of people have died each day, far more than the peak of a bad flu season. In New York City, the number has spiked to six times the normal amount. "
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As for Sweden, with an outstanding healthcare system, the very old could not be helped.

"Age breakdowns in mortality data could provide an even clearer picture of the role of Covid-19 in excess deaths. In Sweden, for example, a high mortality rate among men age 80 and older accounted for the largest increase in deaths, suggesting that the overall numbers understate the severity of the outbreak for older people in particular."

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So, we are at 59,266 deaths right now. What is the real number?
We represent 1/3 third of uncorrected world fatalities. If this article is
correct, our fatalities at this point 4am on Wednesday morning 4/29/20,
shout be another 13,000 or around 73,000b instead of 59,266

There is no "agenda" and Sweden just looks worse for those 80 and over and the pandemic is as I have been saying WORSE than various pandemic deniers and "hoaxers" have been whining about.

The media and "leftist alarmists" have not exaggerated the numbers.

[hcap]

Sweden is experimenting with "Herd Immunity" and why even if they are willing to accept a large number of elderly dying, we would not be able to follow..... by a practicing epidemiologist

Here's Why Herd Immunity Won't Save Us From The COVID-19 Pandemic
https://www.sciencealert.com/why-her...id-19-pandemic


....For mumps, you need 92 percent of the population to be immune for the disease to stop spreading entirely. This is what's known as the herd immunity threshold. COVID-19 is, fortunately, much less infectious than mumps, with an estimated R0 of roughly 3.

With this number, the proportion of people who need to be infected is lower but still high, sitting at around 70 percent of the entire population.

Which brings us to why herd immunity could never be considered a preventative measure.

If 70 percent of your population is infected with a disease, it is by definition not prevention. How can it be? Most of the people in your country are sick! And the hopeful nonsense that you can reach that 70 percent by just infecting young people is simply absurd. If only young people are immune, you'd have clusters of older people with no immunity at all, making it incredibly risky for anyone over a certain age to leave their house lest they get infected, forever.

It's also worth thinking about the repercussions of this disastrous scenario – the best estimates put COVID-19 infection fatality rate at around 0.5-1 percent. If 70 percent of an entire population gets sick, that means that between 0.35-0.7 percent of everyone in a country could die, which is a catastrophic outcome.

[PaceAdvantage]

Who is the God of your new, latest and greatest religion, COVID-19?

So I know who to pray to...is it Bill Gates? Or Dr. Fauci? Asking for myself.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

Any documentation?

It's on some other thread. I posted about this at least 3 -- maybe even 4 weeks ago. This is fairly well known news. Google it.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by hcap

The most significant finding is deaths from covid-19 are under counted!!!..

"In the last month, far more people died in these countries than in previous years, The New York Times found. The totals include deaths from Covid-19 as well as those from other causes, likely including people who could not be treated as hospitals became overwhelmed.

...These numbers undermine the notion that many people who have died from the virus may soon have died anyway. In Paris, more than twice the usual number of people have died each day, far more than the peak of a bad flu season. In New York City, the number has spiked to six times the normal amount. "[/B]

The study/comparison does indicate that the Covid 19 deaths are probably under counted. That would be a logical conclusion.

The study also indicates that what Sweden is doing works better than what most countries are doing with all of their lockdown measures.

[GMB@BP]

It would be a paycut but maybe time to retire? this works out to what, 22 bucks an hour.

45k a year plus my other cash.

everyone is fired from the ole company. its not that bad.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...h=login-google

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Sweden is doing works better than what most countries are doing with all of their lockdown measures.

what measures?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by AndyC

The study/comparison does indicate that the Covid 19 deaths are probably under counted. That would be a logical conclusion.

The study also indicates that what Sweden is doing works better than what most countries are doing with all of their lockdown measures.

We are reading different articles if you think that.
80+ year old are dropping like flies

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

what measures?

Sweden is doing very little and other countries are doing much more using lockdowns, quarantines, etc.