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Old 05-02-2007, 12:09 PM   #61
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Must agree with 46zilzal on this, the horse hasn't had enought races. How many horses has he beat what adversity has he over-come. The chances of him getting a clean trip in the Derby won't likely happen.

Has he run his top number, at some point 3 year olds will throw in a bad race. Too many questions for me. Unless you think he is a super horse but his numbers are only good not super, so he doesn't appear to be the 2nd coming of "Big Red".

Its not a question of history its a just that the horse isn't ready for a ruff,tuff race with 3 year olds who have been pointed for this race since they were 2 year olds right after the Breeders Cup.

Is it possible for the horse to win, yes, is it likely, no.

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Old 05-02-2007, 12:13 PM   #62
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Final time means zip. It is how they match up TODAY....not yesterday.

Medalia D'Oro another one with only 4 lifetime starts on Derby day

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Old 05-02-2007, 12:43 PM   #63
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Must agree with 46zilzal on this, the horse hasn't had enought races. How many horses has he beat what adversity has he over-come. The chances of him getting a clean trip in the Derby won't likely happen.

Has he run his top number, at some point 3 year olds will throw in a bad race. Too many questions for me. Unless you think he is a super horse but his numbers are only good not super, so he doesn't appear to be the 2nd coming of "Big Red".

Its not a question of history its a just that the horse isn't ready for a ruff,tuff race with 3 year olds who have been pointed for this race since they were 2 year olds right after the Breeders Cup.

Is it possible for the horse to win, yes, is it likely, no.
That is a very reasonable post IMHO…

Doesn’t mean it will be proven correct on this individual day, but the “lack of adversity” angle is much underrated IMO. Not to mention it was stated without foaming at the mouth, which is always appreciated.
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Old 05-02-2007, 03:41 PM   #64
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That is a very reasonable post IMHO…

Doesn’t mean it will be proven correct on this individual day, but the “lack of adversity” angle is much underrated IMO. Not to mention it was stated without foaming at the mouth, which is always appreciated.

that I can agree with. I will admit curlin has not ever been punched back. but you can race 10 times and if they are all creampuff races, what have you really done?
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Old 05-02-2007, 03:51 PM   #65
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Curlin Should Match Up Well

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Final time means zip. It is how they match up TODAY....not yesterday.

Medalia D'Oro another one with only 4 lifetime starts on Derby day
Thoroughbreds are bred as part of a class continuum and somewhere within that continuum through competition they will find where they belong or where they don’t belong.

On Saturday May 5th at Churchill Downs Curlin will have the opportunity to define where he belongs if only for one day?
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Old 05-02-2007, 04:15 PM   #66
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On Saturday May 5th at Churchill Downs Curlin will have the opportunity to define where he belongs if only for one day?
Can't argue with that. Sink or swim.
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Old 05-02-2007, 04:40 PM   #67
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Can't argue with that. Sink or swim.
From what will be a crappy post. I still like him but now not as much.
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Old 05-02-2007, 06:19 PM   #68
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Heck I like his post.. groundsaving trip right behind the rabbits... He just got a bump up on my tickets and I didnt like him prior, if the odds move to 6-1 he's value.. history be history
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Old 05-03-2007, 12:53 AM   #69
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My Longshot..

Working holes in the wind...huge price...my money goes on Hard Spun.
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Old 05-03-2007, 01:13 AM   #70
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Heck I like his post.. groundsaving trip right behind the rabbits... He just got a bump up on my tickets and I didnt like him prior, if the odds move to 6-1 he's value.. history be history

after watching his races, I see EXACTLY why he picked the 2 hole, becuase his cruising speed is to the point where he won't get boxed back and he gets a shorter trip without having to come over. he has enough natural speed to get enough position without using all of his engergy... look at how close he was to deadly dealer in the arkansas derby for more than half the race without being asked to do anything.. he was no more than 2 lenghts off of a pure sprinter and when was asked to go had plenty left in the reserve
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Old 05-03-2007, 01:52 AM   #71
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I agree, Curlin's post is fine for him.
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Old 05-07-2007, 10:43 AM   #72
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I agree, Curlin's post is fine for him.
Should have been fine but thanks to a bad gate break and poor ride in middle of track behind a wall it was not.
May have had a chance if stayed on the rail but SS and HS did romp the field

@ least I used Curlin in bottom of tri (boxed) and getting 3rd in KD is never a bad thing.

Preakness should be interesting...
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Bad gate break? Curlin broke perfectly....especially given the fact that Zanjero (coincidentally also trained by Asmussen) broke towards the outside when the gates opened.

Curlin couldn't have gotten a cleaner break if he wanted to....he just wasn't fast enough to outrun the other speed horses in the first 1/16th of a mile to secure a better position.

I thought he would show a little more speed and get a cleaner trip, especially from his inside post.

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Old 05-07-2007, 06:37 PM   #74
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Yeah the break appeared to be clean for all. I was suprised how much speed out of the gate Sedgfield has.
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Old 05-07-2007, 06:40 PM   #75
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I thought he would show a little more speed and get a cleaner trip, especially from his inside post.
ME TOO. I was amazed at his position in the backstretch......

no excuses......I just figure him for just off the pace....and then take the lead from Hard Spun in the stretch...
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