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Old 09-07-2020, 05:03 PM   #46
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The fact that the racing industry, especially the CHRB, let him get away with it without even a fine shows how corrupt they are.

LOL - so now the racing industry is corrupt, and yet you're immersed in it.

So what percentage of the blame should be attributed to you?
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Old 09-07-2020, 07:48 PM   #47
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So where are the trainers that are losing to Baffert?


Where were they when Navarro and Servis where winning and juicing.


Money is being stolen from them in terms of purses going to the juicers.


Has a single trainer ever said a single word about Baffert's alleged juicing?


This is their livelihood for heavens sakes and they stay quiet. Hard to believe bustout gamblers when their peers are silent.
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Old 09-07-2020, 07:50 PM   #48
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Was wondering had the pp's where a horse went to Baffert that was suddenly moved up 20 or 30 points?

Lot of experts here on Baffert so I assume someone could link...thanks in advance.
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Old 09-07-2020, 07:55 PM   #49
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Was wondering had the pp's where a horse went to Baffert that was suddenly moved up 20 or 30 points?

Lot of experts here on Baffert so I assume someone could link...thanks in advance.
Actually one interesting data point was Maximum Security. We know he was doped before. He didn't backtrack.
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Old 09-07-2020, 08:05 PM   #50
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Actually one interesting data point was Maximum Security. We know he was doped before. He didn't backtrack.
his last two races were 101 and 106 Beyers, he was running 111 as a older three yea old.

He has gone backwards in terms of ability.

Another example?
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Thank you for pointing that out. I never mentioned drugs etc, but I think this went that way organically.
Exactly. Ralph never accused him of cheating. The rest of you did.
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LOL - so now the racing industry is corrupt, and yet you're immersed in it.

So what percentage of the blame should be attributed to you?
Well well well...look who woke up again.
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Old 09-07-2020, 09:29 PM   #53
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Well, Baffert needs to be alittle lighter on his feet. Then again he may not do as well on soft Turf.

Best Dirt Trainer In America.
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Old 09-07-2020, 10:49 PM   #54
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Iíve been following Baffert more seriously ever since he took over the training of War Emblem just before the KY Derby. There very well may be certain current allegations and negative commentary about his training techniques.

However, letís face it there are a handful of excellent trainers who not only get top quality stock year after year, but they know how to keep their horses happy (without using drugs) and consistently running well.

Until they ban drugs entirely youíre always going to have controversy related to these type of accusations being made particularly about successful trainers.
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Old 09-07-2020, 11:36 PM   #55
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Yes I saw your list.Your list shows that many trainers have violations.That's the point.Singling out Baffert because you suspect he must of drugged his horse to win the derby is irresponsible and hurtful to the industry and sport.The drug problem is wide spread and needs to be dealt with,But accusing him of cheating in one of the most popular and visible races in the world before any drug testing on his horse is not the way to do it.
Are the The Arkansas Derby (Charlatan) and Santa Anita Derby (Justify) "popular and visible races"?

Are Gamine and Hoppertunity "popular and visible" horses?
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Old 09-07-2020, 11:48 PM   #56
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interesting list, did not know that McPeek was in the cheater catagory.
He's not.
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He's not.
If your on the list then at one time you were popped...that means you fractured a law or two in your time. Its ok, were talking about the wild west here.
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Are the The Arkansas Derby (Charlatan) and Santa Anita Derby (Justify) "popular and v

So those violations mean he must of cheated to win the derby?And any race moving forward.
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Old 09-08-2020, 02:04 AM   #59
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Its ok, were talking about the wild west here.
Hey I don't even know where that list came from. It doesn't really tell anything anyway.

I'm one who thinks of the word "sport" and all it implies to me. Clean and fair is true sport. Otherwise, I don't call it a sport.

I would need to see really good data on every trainer from a reputable source before singling him out.

For whatever reason, you go to jockey club, etc. and you would have to start looking under furniture to find such stats. I can go to hong kong racing and find any and every stat and data for anything and everything I can think of, including vet records for the horses I"m wagering. Start there, transparency is good. Greed is bad.

There is probably a difference between violators out outright cheaters, but w/out good data how would we know. Those 27 indictments last year did us no favors and it's actually hard to believe it took as long as it did to feret them out? Ad you dont' have someone like Gregory Settino stealing $1 million drugs from his company if there are no trainers or vets on the backside to buy 'em.

Then of course, lurking in the back of some minds: if Baffert ever gets nabbed, horse racing is OVER. The most successful trainer who has gotten the most PR in the sport......it would be the end of racing. I don't think anyone has to be a full-on conspiracy theory wanker to not have that at least cross their mind.
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Old 09-08-2020, 05:20 PM   #60
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So where are the trainers that are losing to Baffert?


Where were they when Navarro and Servis where winning and juicing.


Money is being stolen from them in terms of purses going to the juicers.


Has a single trainer ever said a single word about Baffert's alleged juicing?


This is their livelihood for heavens sakes and they stay quiet. Hard to believe bustout gamblers when their peers are silent.
IMO, this is a key point. If Baffert is stealing from other trainers and powerful ownerships groups then how come no one dropped a dime on him?

Probably because a lot of them have their skeletons.
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