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Old 04-21-2020, 07:46 PM   #16
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Your data is misleading just like the leftist media claiming Sweden has a severe issue due to lack of lockdown.
The real measure of success is actual cases per 1 million people. Sweden is 550, whereas the US is 4000+. Deaths per million as you use as a measurement isn't a valid means of how well the virus is contained. All sorts of factors can be related to fatalities. How well they manage infected patients is one thing, but keeping cases to a minimum is the format by which all other numbers depend upon.
Everything you posted on this page regarding Sweden is misleading in measuring success at preventing infection. As with most leftist perspective with most issues, they choose the route that fits their narrative. They twist the truth and shove it down their supporter's throats.
hap is trying to play with math again - he never learns.
MATH is not for the liberal minded.

Of course using raw total is just plain stupid.
Anyone with a third grade education knows that.
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Old 04-21-2020, 07:48 PM   #17
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So what is the number?

Since 1,000,000 is irrational to you.

It’s all guesses. A million does sound high to me.

But I think 60,000 is too low.

Nobody knows the true number.

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Old 04-21-2020, 08:02 PM   #18
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Riddle me this, all you numbers guys.

The US makes up roughly 5% of the world's population.

Even though COVID-19 didn't originate here, how did we wind up with around 30% of the cases, and around 25% of the deaths?

Something doesn't smell right, and I think it's to do with the Chinese numbers which were jobbed from the getgo.
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Old 04-21-2020, 08:54 PM   #19
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Where exactly do you get ONE MILLION DEATHS in the USA from?
It's a SWAG. That's a Scientific Wild Ass Guess.

There were approximately 675,000 deaths in the U.S. during the 1981 pandemic. In the intervening century the U.S. population has tripled. Three times 675,000 is over two million. Given medical progress in the interim one million is not unreasonable.
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Riddle me this, all you numbers guys.

The US makes up roughly 5% of the world's population.

Even though COVID-19 didn't originate here, how did we wind up with around 30% of the cases, and around 25% of the deaths?

Something doesn't smell right, and I think it's to do with the Chinese numbers which were jobbed from the getgo.
It's being spread by the airplane. Americans do a lot of traveling and we import a lot of stuff. We imported the virus.
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Riddle me this, all you numbers guys.

The US makes up roughly 5% of the world's population.

Even though COVID-19 didn't originate here, how did we wind up with around 30% of the cases, and around 25% of the deaths?

Something doesn't smell right, and I think it's to do with the Chinese numbers which were jobbed from the getgo.
Simple. After the Chicoms suffered big economic losses in Wuhan, they decided that they alone should not have to suffer that kind of misery. They seized upon a golden opportunity to bring harm to the West. While they isolated Wuhan from the rest of the country, they did not bother isolate the Chinese from the rest of the world. Many thousands of Chinese (very many of them infected) were sent to this country intentionally to hurt our economy. The timing was good, too, because this took place during the Chinese New Year, which facilitated a lot of travel.
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It's being spread by the airplane. Americans do a lot of traveling and we import a lot of stuff. We imported the virus.
I think it would be more accurate to say that the Chicoms exported the virus. Many Chinese traveled here to the states over the Chinese New Year.
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Always remember, NK promised us a "Christmas Present" in December...and NK is buddy buddy with China...so...you know...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/asia/...hnk/index.html
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Always remember, NK promised us a "Christmas Present" in December...and NK is buddy buddy with China...so...you know...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/asia/...hnk/index.html
Early on I thought it would be better for someone else to lead with this thinking in posts while the narrative does its organic thing here. Your skew on what we should have done differently versus what real motivations still unclear to me as I still don't think all the chapters have been written or are the breadcrumbs public yet. Few here would doubt that I naturally hate NK and the communist peoples republic of China. So I remain open to what becomes tomorrows light of the day.
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Old 04-21-2020, 10:30 PM   #25
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Riddle me this, all you numbers guys.

The US makes up roughly 5% of the world's population.

Even though COVID-19 didn't originate here, how did we wind up with around 30% of the cases, and around 25% of the deaths?

Something doesn't smell right, and I think it's to do with the Chinese numbers which were jobbed from the getgo.
In my opinion --

Very early on, our own CDC dropped the ball in several key areas:
• Testing. We had a shortage of test kits. So we only tested people with severe cases.

• Contact tracing. If you're not testing it's really hard to do contact tracing. If you're not doing contact tracing it's really hard to isolate those who've become infected before they can infect others - because you don't know who to isolate. (Imo, this is the primary reason our elected officials decided to isolate pretty much everybody.)

• Protective gear. They told us not to wear masks because we had a shortage of those too.

• Nursing homes. We failed to truly quarantine our most vulnerable. 'What could we have done better?' you ask.

There's a nursing home directly across the street from my office. Twice a day I see employees come off shift and go out into the community. Twice a day I see employees show up for work from wherever they were out there in the community. All day long I see employees go out into the community for lunch breaks and go back in to finish their shifts.

I'm thinking if they really wanted to protect the most vulnerable nobody new would be allowed onto the grounds without first testing clean (the five minute test would be perfect for that.)

I'm also thinking if they really wanted to protect the most vulnerable it might be a good idea to have their workers live there on site until we get past peak surge in the area. It also might be a good idea to have workers not go out into the community for lunch breaks.

That way you stand a chance of minimizing the risk of employees becoming infected somewhere out there in the community and bringing it back into the facility with them.

About three weeks ago I had a phone conversation with one of their Directors. She told me they have a staging area in the lobby where they were using use a facial thermometer to scan employees and visitors for fevers. But that's about it because that's what state health officials had told them they were required to do at the time.

Last week they put a sign on the front door saying 'No visitors. Call this number if you have any questions.'

Imo, they've been lucky so far. But lots of other facilities haven't been.
Had we done a better job very early on in key areas, I think our outbreak would be a lot less severe than where we are now.


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Early on I thought it would be better for someone else to lead with this thinking in posts while the narrative does its organic thing here. Your skew on what we should have done differently versus what real motivations still unclear to me as I still don't think all the chapters have been written or are the breadcrumbs public yet. Few here would doubt that I naturally hate NK and the communist peoples republic of China. So I remain open to what becomes tomorrows light of the day.
You're another really, really strange and hardly readable contributor here...I wish you would get out from behind that cloud of smoke and actually just post what you mean without all the meaningless fluff and mumbo-confusing-jumbo.
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So what is the number?

Since 1,000,000 is irrational to you.

It’s all guesses. A million does sound high to me.

But I think 60,000 is too low.

Nobody knows the true number.

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Headlines of the near future

Man shot 33 times in the head, dies of coronavirus
Woman plunges car off cliff, dies of coronavirus
88 yo stage 4 cancer patient dies, of coronavirus

-- so how many have died w/o complications? That's all that matters to me
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As of today, deaths had risen to 1,511 deaths. In Sweden's effort to promote "herd immunity"

Sweden says 'herd immunity' very close
http://www.ecns.cn/news/2020-04-21/d...t5602675.shtml
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"These are mathematical models, they're only as good as the data we put into them," he said. "We will see if they are right."

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Shit for (data)...

If their economy survives and thrives. it's worth it

You disagree, but you have no voice there. No vote. Castrated. Teats on a boar hog

Go back under your bed, fight off the cockroaches and try to get some sleep. I'm pulling for ya to make it thru...
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Sweden slow to adopt Covid-19 mitigation measures
https://www.pharmaceutical-technolog...d-19-measures/

As data reporting for Covid-19 continues to improve and the numbers of confirmed cases and deaths continue to rise, the effects of different approaches to the pandemic begin to emerge. Sweden has been slow to adopt any measures intended to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus pandemic and the morbid results are evident. Sweden has a significantly higher mortality rate from Covid-19 than its neighbouring counties.

Figure 1 presents the rate of death (deaths per 1,000,000 population) from Covid-19, in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland.

It is now highly evident that those countries that were quick to adopt strong measures of social isolation, distancing, and testing have seen the best possible outcomes in this crisis in terms of mortality prevention so far.

Your information above is worthless without data supporting deaths that aren't due to c19+ complications. How many of these deaths are driven from stage 3 / 4 cancer patients? Diabetics in the late stages? Pneumonia + c19?

Without detailed data, this stuff you're posting is pure fiction in regards to c19.
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You're another really, really strange and hardly readable contributor here...I wish you would get out from behind that cloud of smoke and actually just post what you mean without all the meaningless fluff and mumbo-confusing-jumbo.

I am read just as well as you are, very few are confused. I did not want the shutdown of the economy. Like many I took a paper loss that will not mean much because I do not need to sell. I am the very opposite of your Trump haters that you have here, so your reading the other end of it I guess.
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