Epidemiologist: Why Lockdowns Are The Wrong Policy

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

Yeah, apparently Sweden reversing course on the herd immunity debacle.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021

"Sweden's king has said his country "failed" to save lives with its relatively relaxed approach to the coronavirus pandemic.

King Carl XVI Gustaf made the remarks as part of an annual TV review of the year with the royal family.

Sweden, which has never imposed a full lockdown, has seen nearly 350,000 cases and more than 7,800 deaths - a lot more than its Scandinavian neighbours.

Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said he agreed with the king's remarks.

"Of course the fact that so many have died can't be considered as anything other than a failure," Mr Lofven told reporters."

(Bloomberg) -- Swedes are rapidly losing faith in their country’s response to the pandemic, with even the King delivering a rare rebuke to those in charge.

Significantly more Swedes have gotten sick and died from Covid-19 than elsewhere in the Nordic region. And with Stockholm recently almost running out of intensive care beds, frustration levels are high.


So can we close this thread?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

Hey Mikey, you started this silly thread absolutely convinced Sweden was the way to go based on scant preliminary data.

You wound up mocking yourself.

In all actuality, Sweden is still ahead of the game.

They haven't been mired in months of economic CHAOS like the rest of the idiotic CUCKED world...so even when they lock down now, they'll still be in much better shape.

I still win.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by hcap

So can we close this thread?

No we can't close it, ****TURD.

I STILL WIN

[Elkchester Road]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

No we can't close it, ****TURD.

I STILL WIN

[PaceAdvantage]

He's gonna get all taken aback now and wonder why I'm so angry...he still doesn't get it that I have been eternally ****ing with him...

[hcap]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

In all actuality, Sweden is still ahead of the game.

They haven't been mired in months of economic CHAOS like the rest of the idiotic CUCKED world...so even when they lock down now, they'll still be in much better shape.

I still win.

At least stay current.....
From foreignpolicy.com

December 22, 2020

The Inside Story of How Sweden Botched Its Coronavirus Response
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/22...ovid-response/

...And the result has been deadly. While countries such as the United States, Brazil, and India have made headlines for recording the highest number of coronavirus-related fatalities, Sweden’s death rate of over 80 per 100,000 people is among Europe’s highest and is around 10 times as great as those of Norway and Finland, and over four times Denmark’s. COVID-19 hospitalizations are now rising faster there than in most European countries, and Sweden is caring for more patients in hospital now than it did at the height of its first wave. By Dec. 21, Sweden had surpassed the United States and all major European countries in its daily confirmed cases per million. Things have gotten so out of control in Sweden that neighboring Norway, for the first time since World War II, put troops on the border to prevent Swedes from crossing over.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by hcap

At least stay current.....
From foreignpolicy.com

December 22, 2020

The Inside Story of How Sweden Botched Its Coronavirus Response
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/22...ovid-response/

...And the result has been deadly. While countries such as the United States, Brazil, and India have made headlines for recording the highest number of coronavirus-related fatalities, Sweden’s death rate of over 80 per 100,000 people is among Europe’s highest and is around 10 times as great as those of Norway and Finland, and over four times Denmark’s. COVID-19 hospitalizations are now rising faster there than in most European countries, and Sweden is caring for more patients in hospital now than it did at the height of its first wave. By Dec. 21, Sweden had surpassed the United States and all major European countries in its daily confirmed cases per million. Things have gotten so out of control in Sweden that neighboring Norway, for the first time since World War II, put troops on the border to prevent Swedes from crossing over.

But think of the financial windfall to their social medicine programs. Far fewer people like you burdening the health care system because you refuse to exit gracefully. With an intact economy and less drag from social systems, Sweden may have a renaissance of sorts. The final chapter on the pandemic response is years away.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by tucker6

But think of the financial windfall to their social medicine programs. Far fewer people like you burdening the health care system because you refuse to exit gracefully. With an intact economy and less drag from social systems, Sweden may have a renaissance of sorts. The final chapter on the pandemic response is years away.

So ironic.

The paranoid right wing scares out of meager wits by the faintest odor of socialism, converted en masse to a poorly thought out laissez faire public health debacle, conducted by one of the most socialist country on the face of the earth, thinking it was a slam dunk for "personal liberty". Slam dunk knee jerking

Go figure?

[davew]

Originally Posted by hcap

So ironic.

The paranoid right wing scares out of meager wits by the faintest odor of socialism, converted en masse to a poorly thought out laissez faire public health debacle, conducted by one of the most socialist country on the face of the earth, thinking it was a slam dunk for "personal liberty". Slam dunk knee jerking

Go figure?

at least Joe Biden will save the country from a greatest depression as the country loses 30% of all businesses and 20% of all jobs because some governors are scared of dying.


will he print money to bail out mismanaged cities and states? or just charge everyone more to live here?

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by Poindexter

I think California/Los Angeles County is making a pretty good illustration of what a complete failure lockdowns are. Now leading the country in daily cases and deaths(yesterday and today), with LA County getting the bulk of them. This despite the fact that we have been the king of lockdowns since the very start. Go Figure.

They are just getting started, a blast from the past.

The intense and personal fight to require masks during the second wave of Spanish flu in SF

https://www.sfgate.com/sfhistory/art...8-15803570.php

[Redboard]

Originally Posted by fast4522

They are just getting started, a blast from the past.

The intense and personal fight to require masks during the second wave of Spanish flu in SF

https://www.sfgate.com/sfhistory/art...8-15803570.php

Fascinating article. the more things change...

FWIW, the H1N1 flu A(Spanish Flu) killed mostly young adults. In 1918–1919, 99% of H1N1 flu A deaths occurred in people under 65, and nearly half of deaths were in young adults 20 to 40 years old.

No real point, just saying.

[46zilzal]

In 1918 virus study was almost non existent. The best experts of the day tried, again and again, to locate a PRIMARY bacterial etiology and never could.

Fairly hard to convince people about a form of infective agent that was undetectable back then.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

https://youtu.be/bfN2JWifLCY



https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...en/index2.html

I think this study belongs right here in agreement with your post from two years ago, and with your vociferous support of Sweden's no lockdown policy. It turned out that Sweden was right all along. Who of the naysayers will come on here and tell PA he was right after all?

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2022...d-deaths-study

Lockdowns in the United States and Europe reduced COVID-related deaths by only .2%, and shelter-in-placed orders reduced deaths by 2.9%, the study says.

“We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limiting gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality,” wrote the authors of the paper published in the journal Studies in Applied Economics. “Overall, we conclude that lockdowns are not an effective way of reducing mortality rates during a pandemic, at least not during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic.”

[tucker6]

As many of us suspected, the correct answer to covid was to isolate the 10% of the population that are "at risk" and let the other 90% of us go on living normal lives. I wonder what the price tag is economically, psychologically, and emotionally for what has been done. Someone(s) has to be held accountable for the stupidity.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by tucker6

As many of us suspected, the correct answer to covid was to isolate the 10% of the population that are "at risk" and let the other 90% of us go on living normal lives. I wonder what the price tag is economically, psychologically, and emotionally for what has been done. Someone(s) has to be held accountable for the stupidity.

You mean we shouldn't have put them in nursing homes????

Science, ba-bay!