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09-08-2019, 01:46 AM
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The fourth race is a great example of why using hand times is so bad. The half mile in the charts is really not a good hand time, but it is put in the charts along with the other fractions and handicappers have no way to know it is a hand time unless they pull up the full chart.
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The chart actually says the FIRST fraction, but 1/2 to 6f is ridiculous
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09-08-2019, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AltonKelsey
The chart actually says the FIRST fraction, but 1/2 to 6f is ridiculous
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Yeah, the half is the hand timed one.
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09-08-2019, 10:15 AM
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Should have used the $200k for the Grand PRix to buy a decent timer! 
NOT a god image for the so called top circuit.
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09-08-2019, 06:22 PM
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Sounds like more of the same today - first call at 8.5 on the inner....must be the construction.
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09-08-2019, 06:38 PM
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Sounds like more of the same today - first call at 8.5 on the inner....must be the construction. |
I didn't watch today. I know they start from pretty much the gate so it always looks slow.
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09-09-2019, 09:18 AM
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Is that a new gate placement for the 8.5 on the inner? Looked different to me yesterday.
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09-09-2019, 09:51 AM
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Is that a new gate placement for the 8.5 on the inner? Looked different to me yesterday.
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No, they've been using that for a while. It is a pretty goofy set up. Looks like either the opening quarter was fat fingered as the chart shows 25.25 and the video shows 26.25, or it was changed and no note was made in the chart.
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09-09-2019, 10:44 AM
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Thanks.
I saw the race on the Fox Sports show and it was the first time I had seen them loading right through the rail like that. I thought they made a change.
Andy mentioned something about walking.
I have to wonder why anyone would spend thousands of dollars on a timing system of any kind that had human involvement at a key process step - entering the freaking data! 
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09-13-2019, 12:39 AM
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Another example of why using hand times is worse than using no times at all:
http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...091219USA3.pdf
Who could possibly look at these fractions and think they are good?
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09-13-2019, 03:49 AM
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The good news is that they stated it was hand timed.
Why do they bury the information at the bottom of the footnotes?
Why not put it where the fractions are displayed in bold letters.
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09-13-2019, 09:06 AM
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The good news is that they stated it was hand timed.
Why do they bury the information at the bottom of the footnotes?
Why not put it where the fractions are displayed in bold letters.
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Would you wear a sign that said you were an idiot?
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09-13-2019, 11:08 AM
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Apparently that is the only place available to put it currently. And it never shows up in PPs.
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09-13-2019, 11:15 AM
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Would you wear a sign that said you were an idiot? |
It might match my black and blue socks. 
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09-13-2019, 01:38 PM
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Apparently that is the only place available to put it currently. And it never shows up in PPs.
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I'm glad you added "currently." 
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09-13-2019, 03:54 PM
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It might match my black and blue socks. |
And your sandals?
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