Why are liberals so angry?

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by OntheRail

Voting Rights Act. Civil Rights Act. Both were opposed by the Democrats..

Not true. In the House Democrats favore passage 152-96. In the Senate they favored.passage 44-23. In both the North and the South, a greater percentage of Democrats than Republicans voted for passage.,
. EPA was started by Nixon a Republican.
Nixon put several existing agencies under the auspices of one department, the EPA. But let’s not forget, Congress was heavily Democratic at that time. And Republicans were reasonable people, not crackpots like today.

Dem's tried to torpedo Clarence Thomas A Black Man from serving on the SC. Bush tried to nominate a Black conservative woman to the Court but Dem's filibuster her nomination.

As a senator, Biden warned President George W. Bush that if he nominated the first Black woman to serve on the Supreme Court, he would filibuster and kill her nomination.

Roe v Wade Conservative Supreme Court righted that wrong.

They didn’t right a wrong. They took away a right.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by OntheRail

As a senator, Biden warned President George W. Bush that if he nominated the first Black woman to serve on the Supreme Court, he would filibuster and kill her nomination.

You’re referring to Janice Rogers Brown. Here are a few of the things JRB believed.
In People v. Robert Young, 34 Cal. 4th 1149, 1237, (2005), Brown, ignoring prior precedent set by the California Supreme Court in 1985, argued that Black women should not be considered as a "cognizable group" and that prosecutors could therefore "use preemptory [sic] challenges to exclude jurors solely on the basis that they are black women."[11]

In a speech to the University of Chicago Law School Federalist Society in 2000. Brown's speech cited Ayn Rand and lamented the triumph of "the collectivist impulse" in which capitalism receives "contemptuous tolerance but only for its capacity to feed the insatiable maw of socialism."

The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights opposed her nomination to the court based on her record on the California Supreme Court where she exhibited "a strong, persistent, and disturbing hostility toward affirmative action, civil rights, the rights of individuals with disabilities, workers' rights, and the fairness of the criminal justice system."[11]

The above quotes come from Janice Rogers Brown’s Wikipedia page,

She is a devotee of Ayn Rand, an ultra originalist, an advocate of Lochnerism, and a toady of the Federalist Society? Her nomination was opposed by most if not all Civil Rights groups.

Biden, and many others, opposed her because of her radical right wing views; not because of her race.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by pandy

I hear this a lot, how great the Dems used to be. The problem is not the Democratic Party from years ago, it's the current version of the Party. The only things new on your list, like the Affordable Care Act, and the Covid Vaccine, are not all so great. The vaccine was in the works prior to the last election but was used unconstitutionally by the Biden administration after they promised not to try to force people to get it. Now they're trying to push it on babies.

Was Obamacare a success? That's debatable since the Democrats lost 1040 seats in total during the two Obama terms and the ACA was the only major piece of legislation. It clearly resulted in substantially higher rates for some seniors because it raided medicare (you won't lose your doctor or insurance plan) and also millions of middle-class Americans. Sure, some people like it but the Democrats managed to make sure that no members of congress and no union workers had to foot the bill for it. Middle-class business owners paid through the nose, though.

These people who are in charge now are nothing like John Kennedy or Bill Clinton. The Dems gained some seats back during the Trump presidency but they are still down 850 seats from the start of the Obama first term, if you include governorships and Congress. That's obviously going higher in November and most likely in 2024.

They desperately need new branding and a new message. This "everyone who disagrees with us is a racist" isn't working.

You basically do not know what you are talking about. Democrats lost a net 81 seats in Congress while Obama was president. No, you do not get to count state legislatures. Obamacare is a federal program. Obamacare did not raid Medicare. It reduced payments to Insurers and hospitals under Medicare Advantage programs. No Medicare benefits were reduced; No Medicare taxes were increased.

Members of Congress and their staffs are not eligible for Obamacare because of an amendment proposed by Charles Grassley who just knew the Democrats would vote it down. So yes, they don’t foot the bill as far as premiums are concerned. The also get no benefits.

I know of no provision in the ACA that exempts union workers.

I don’t think anyone is a racist because they don’t agree with me. I think they are racist because they are racist.

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Not True.

But it is... more Democrats opposed it them Republicans. Hell the Democrats stages one of the longest filibuster in history in the hopes of killing it.

Voting Rights Act. Civil Rights Act. Both were opposed by the Democrats..

Which political party opposed the Civil Rights Act?

Southern Democrats were generally much more conservative than non-Southern Democrats and most of them voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by holding the longest filibuster in the American Senate history while Democrats in non-Southern states supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Who opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965?

On May 26, the Senate passed the bill by a 77–19 vote (Democrats 47–16, Republicans 30–2); only senators representing Southern states voted against it.

Which party voted for the 15th amendment?

The final vote in the Senate was 39 to 13, with 14 not voting. The Senate passed the amendment, with 39 Republicans voting "Yea" and eight Democrats and five Republicans voting "Nay"; 13 Republicans and one Democrat did not vote.

Funny thing about facts... they are what they are.

[pandy]

Originally Posted by mostpost

You basically do not know what you are talking about. Democrats lost a net 81 seats in Congress while Obama was president. No, you do not get to count state legislatures. Obamacare is a federal program. Obamacare did not raid Medicare. It reduced payments to Insurers and hospitals under Medicare Advantage programs. No Medicare benefits were reduced; No Medicare taxes were increased.

Members of Congress and their staffs are not eligible for Obamacare because of an amendment proposed by Charles Grassley who just knew the Democrats would vote it down. So yes, they don’t foot the bill as far as premiums are concerned. The also get no benefits.

I know of no provision in the ACA that exempts union workers.

I don’t think anyone is a racist because they don’t agree with me. I think they are racist because they are racist.

You're right, I was counting legislature as well. But it was a disaster.

As for the ACA, I called on behalf of my mom when she lost her doctor and plan and United Health care told me it was because of medicare cuts due to Obamacare (in those exact words).

I'm not saying that you personally or your fellow liberals call people racist. Most of my friends are liberal. I'm referring to many members of the Democratic party, including many of the most well-known Democrats, who clearly use race as a political weapon, which is common knowledge. It's not working.



https://www.npr.org/2016/03/04/46905...ency-heres-why

[pandy]

This thread goes to show you how bad things are for the Democratic party. Mostie used to have a leg to stand on years ago. This new version of the Democratic party is just so weird that it's hard to make excuses for their behavior. Biden wants men to compete in sports against women! Now California, Louisiana, and NY City have mandated the covid vaccine for children, or they won't be allowed to attend school. Crazy stuff that no one can defend.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by mostpost

They didn’t right a wrong. They took away a right.

Absolye lie, you dumb-ass racist.
As your boy poopy-pants potus even said, that 10 year old got one, SO THE RIGHT TO ABORTION IS ALIVE AND WELL AND NOW THE DECSION OF THE PEOPLE. NOT A COURT.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by OntheRail

But it is... more Democrats opposed it them Republicans. Hell the Democrats stages one of the longest filibuster in history in the hopes of killing it.

Voting Rights Act. Civil Rights Act. Both were opposed by the Democrats..
No! No! No! Both the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights act were proposed by a Democratic president Lyndon Johnson. Both got almost unanimous support from Democrats who weren’t from the South.
Which political party opposed the Civil Rights Act?
That answer is easy. It’s the Republican Party of the late Twentieth and early 21st. Centuries.
Southern Democrats were generally much more conservative than non-Southern Democrats and most of them voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by holding the longest filibuster in the American Senate history while Democrats in non-Southern states supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Who opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965?

On May 26, the Senate passed the bill by a 77–19 vote (Democrats 47–16, Republicans 30–2); only senators representing Southern states voted against it.
Three times as many Democratic Senators voted for the Voting Rights Act as voted against it. How is that opposing it? But the most telling point is when The National Democratic Party began enforcing civil rights, Southern Democrats became Republicans. And in this case, there was no difference between North and South. The entire party became anti Civil rights.
Which party voted for the 15th amendment?

The final vote in the Senate was 39 to 13, with 14 not voting. The Senate passed the amendment, with 39 Republicans voting "Yea" and eight Democrats and five Republicans voting "Nay"; 13 Republicans and one Democrat did not vote.

Funny thing about facts... they are what they are.

In 1869 the entire Democratic portion of the Senate was 11 Senators. How they voted was irrelevant.
1869 was 153 years ago. That Democratic Party no longer exists. That Republican Party no longer exists. At least in the field of Civil rights and common decency, they have completely switched places.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Tom

Absolye lie, you dumb-ass racist.
As your boy poopy-pants potus even said, that 10 year old got one, SO THE RIGHT TO ABORTION IS ALIVE AND WELL AND NOW THE DECSION OF THE PEOPLE. NOT A COURT.

She had to leave the state she lived in and go to another state. Before long Indiana will have the same laws as Ohio and other red states. And none of those laws will make an exception for rape or incest. The United States of America is in danger of becoming the United States of Gilead.
Before Dobbs, the people had the right to decide whether to have an abortion or not. Now that decision is in the hands of a political party. Kinda like North Korea or China.

[Elkchester Road]

Originally Posted by pandy

I hear this a lot, how great the Dems used to be. The problem is not the Democratic Party from years ago, it's the current version of the Party. The only things new on your list, like the Affordable Care Act, and the Covid Vaccine, are not all so great. The vaccine was in the works prior to the last election but was used unconstitutionally by the Biden administration after they promised not to try to force people to get it. Now they're trying to push it on babies.

Was Obamacare a success? That's debatable since the Democrats lost 1040 seats in total during the two Obama terms and the ACA was the only major piece of legislation. It clearly resulted in substantially higher rates for some seniors because it raided medicare (you won't lose your doctor or insurance plan) and also millions of middle-class Americans. Sure, some people like it but the Democrats managed to make sure that no members of congress and no union workers had to foot the bill for it. Middle-class business owners paid through the nose, though.

These people who are in charge now are nothing like John Kennedy or Bill Clinton. The Dems gained some seats back during the Trump presidency but they are still down 850 seats from the start of the Obama first term, if you include governorships and Congress. That's obviously going higher in November and most likely in 2024.

They desperately need new branding and a new message. This "everyone who disagrees with us is a racist" isn't working.

Great points, pandy. Thank you.

[Elkchester Road]

Originally Posted by pandy

This thread goes to show you how bad things are for the Democratic party. Mostie used to have a leg to stand on years ago. This new version of the Democratic party is just so weird that it's hard to make excuses for their behavior. Biden wants men to compete in sports against women! Now California, Louisiana, and NY City have mandated the covid vaccine for children, or they won't be allowed to attend school. Crazy stuff that no one can defend.

Knowing these things, pandy...how could any Woman in their right mind vote for a Democrat??? If they don't vote for a Conservative...so be it. But Women Voting for a Liberal??? What more do Liberals have to do to Women to let them know what they REALLY think about them???

Women should remember that Liberals had many opportunities in the 50 or so years the Roe V. Wade Decision to Legislate the Abortion Issue. They chose NOT to.

[Striker]

Originally Posted by mostpost

She had to leave the state she lived in and go to another state. Before long Indiana will have the same laws as Ohio and other red states. And none of those laws will make an exception for rape or incest. The United States of America is in danger of becoming the United States of Gilead.
Before Dobbs, the people had the right to decide whether to have an abortion or not. Now that decision is in the hands of a political party. Kinda like North Korea or China.

Before your boy took office people also had the choice of keeping their jobs if they didn’t want to get a vaccine put into their bodies that doesn’t even prevent them from getting or spreading the virus. And what did you say on this forum about that, oh that’s right guess people better get the vaccine and deal with it. So……deal with it.

[Elkchester Road]

Originally Posted by Striker

Before your boy took office people also had the choice of keeping their jobs if they didn’t want to get a vaccine put into their bodies that doesn’t even prevent them from getting or spreading the virus. And what did you say on this forum about that, oh that’s right guess people better get the vaccine and deal with it. So……deal with it.

Exactly, Striker. Where was all this Sanctimonious Shit from the Left when Biden violated his Campaign Promises to not mandate Vaccines in this Country? They were all lined up for that Authoritarian Horseshit. When it boomerangs back on them and their Agenda...here comes all the Foghorn Leghorn Crap about Bodily Autonomy and their "Rights". They NEVER had any more Rights to Abortion than People had to refuse Vaccines (which were entirely unproven). Doesn't matter in the relentless pursuit of the Agenda. Brainwashed Zealots.

[pandy]

Originally Posted by Elkchester Road

Exactly, Striker. Where was all this Sanctimonious Shit from the Left when Biden violated his Campaign Promises to not mandate Vaccines in this Country? They were all lined up for that Authoritarian Horseshit. When it boomerangs back on them and their Agenda...here comes all the Foghorn Leghorn Crap about Bodily Autonomy and their "Rights". They NEVER had any more Rights to Abortion than People had to refuse Vaccines (which were entirely unproven). Doesn't matter in the relentless pursuit of the Agenda. Brainwashed Zealots.

The vaccine mandates and the severe lockdowns and mask mandates are still a factor in voters' minds. The Dems keep saying that the Republicans are authoritarian and anti-democracy but that kind of rhetoric doesn't work if you were the party that took away people's rights.

It's funny because my main reason for voting for Republicans was crime. I lived in East New York until I was ten and I saw how devastating high crime is, and when I started going into the city as a teenager, I also saw that the Democratic party was soft on crime and let Manhattan and other parts of the city fall into decay. But outside of that, I held my nose voting for Republicans, most of whom I considered to be globalists who supported the rich and powerful.

But with the Democratic party leaning so far left and siding with the elite ruling class now, plus all this woke crap, they're making the Republicans look good. That, and, of course, the new American First Republican candidates who realize that a lot of Americans are on board with populism.

[classhandicapper]

I'd like to personally thank the modern left for renewing my faith in God. Unfortunately, that revelation comes from believing the only way people could support, promote and try to enforce so many intrinsically immoral and incorrect choices is if there's a Satan. So if there's a Satan, there must be a God.