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Old 05-26-2020, 10:34 AM   #1
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Charlatan Stripped Of Arkansas Derby??

Was going on twitter last night and saw this

"Charlatan to be stripped of Arkansas Derby Title"

But it also said about Saddler horse also got a positive test.?

Again this is probably bs, but just wanted to share
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Old 05-26-2020, 11:57 AM   #2
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Probably best to hold off on this kind of speculation. If true, it will be reported soon enough and I will re-open the thread. Closing until that happens, if it does.
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Old 05-26-2020, 11:58 AM   #3
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You mean twitter isn't always right?

Good call.
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Old 05-26-2020, 03:00 PM   #4
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time to open that Oaklwan doping thread back up?

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Old 05-26-2020, 03:03 PM   #5
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Open a thread up because of an article that reveals next to nothing?

We'll open it when the time comes. Going to close this one too.
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Old 05-26-2020, 10:37 PM   #6
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Think it is safe to open now.

https://www.drf.com/news/charlatans-...arkansas-derby

https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne..._positives_123

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/s...rt-doping.html

https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...es/5260314002/
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Old 05-26-2020, 11:30 PM   #7
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So how do the officials justify breaking their own rules?
If the second test comes back negative, should someone in the office be fired?
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Old 05-26-2020, 11:44 PM   #8
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It’s not hard to guess who leaked or ordered the leak . Just read Lois Cella’s statements. He’s a no bull, track operator and does not play along. There’s a reason that track is independently run. He pretty much says , This isn’t California And if the second tests comes out positive, it’s not gonna take 4 months. He goes on to say the Justify deal was an embarrassment to the business. Gee, I wonder who let this get out ........

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Old 05-27-2020, 02:44 AM   #9
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2 baffert horses failed tests. Imagine my shock level.

The chances of 2 false negs happening for the same drug seem low. Unless this kind of thing happens all the time and we don’t hear about it.

How long does it stay in the system. Any chance he cheated and can get away with it because it left the system since the first test? I don’t know anything about drugs effect horses

How come humans don’t get a retest in pro sports (unless they do and I don’t know about it)
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Old 05-27-2020, 05:19 AM   #10
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So how do the officials justify breaking their own rules?
If the second test comes back negative, should someone in the office be fired?

The second one will also come back positive.

Baffert is in hot water.

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Old 05-27-2020, 05:31 AM   #11
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and from Bloodhorse this morning:https://cdn.bloodhorse.com/daily-app...y-20200527.pdf
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Old 05-27-2020, 07:59 AM   #12
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Louis Cella, the owner and president of Oaklawn Park, said the commission was “grabbing the bull by the horns.”
“We will not have a situation like in California, where a horse ran in the Kentucky Derby after failing a drug test,” Cella said, referring to a test failed by Justify, the 2018 Triple Crown winner. “That was an embarrassment to the industry. We will push to have this cleared up by the Belmont Stakes.”


Like I said .... lol. Who leaked it out there.??? Just wondering ?????

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Old 05-27-2020, 08:51 AM   #13
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the basic idea is to do what you have to do to win the big money, but more importantly, DON'T GET CAUGHT
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The second one will also come back positive.

Baffert is in hot water.

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Even it does, is that a reason to violate the rules?
Pretty much makes THEM the same as the offender.

I agree, though no matter WHO gets hurt, drugs have got to be stopped.
Racing needs to get it's act together and clean itself up.
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Old 05-27-2020, 09:39 AM   #15
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Just my personal opinion, I've always felt that Baffert used illegal methods or substances. His success is simply too good to be true and his past is certainly suspect. He had 7 horses drop dead in a pretty short period of time, and most of them were just standing still when the fell and died. And that was because of a drug he was giving them. Justify looked like a juiced horse, and he was. Anyone with half a brain knew that Mark McGwire was juiced when he all of a sudden turned into Babe Ruth. Sometimes, it's obvious, and in my opinion, it's obvious that Baffert is a cheater.

Just buying the best-bred horses helps but his horses consistently run sensational races. Arrogate's mind-blowing Travers win and his win in Dubai simply looked like a juiced horse, and Baffert's horses often run crazy big races like that. If you compare him to Pletcher, as an example, Pletcher also gets the best bred expensive horses, and he also wins a lot of races, but his horses rarely turn in sensational out-of-their-mind performances. Pletcher's results are hard to question, they are in line with expectations. Baffert's are not. Yet many people believe that somehow Baffert is a much better trainer than everyone else, which isn't likely. There's only so much a trainer can legally do to make a horse run its best.

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