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08-08-2017, 11:23 PM
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#76
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,828
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Originally Posted by AltonKelsey
Sure, but after two decades or so, there should already be some normalization, unless the ineptness of those involved is even more epic than we imagine .
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They got so deep in the hole it is hard to dig out. The link posted earlier to the Bloodhorse article is from early 2008. It even mentions quotes a Youbet executive!
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08-08-2017, 11:23 PM
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#77
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,510
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
It just officially hit the wire. Lets not beat up on HANA like 10 minutes into this.
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I received an email from the HANA site explaining their disappointment over the increases.
This is a sharp increase in what is essentially a tax on the front end of the wager.
At this particular juncture of the history of horse racing, raising the cost to play the game is not in the best interests of anyone.
I believe this increase will adversely affect handle. Starting with the Keeneland Fall meet of 2017.
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08-08-2017, 11:42 PM
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#78
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 254
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HANA's website has grown stale,the latest track ratings to compare takeout etc. are from 2014:
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08-09-2017, 12:26 AM
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#80
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Pace Cappa
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 4,649
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Basically 99% of my play now is at NYRA. They get it and run a first class operation. The rest seem to be clown shoes
Z
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08-09-2017, 12:34 AM
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#81
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dark Side of the Moon
Posts: 5,870
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaf
Basically 99% of my play now is at NYRA. They get it and run a first class operation. The rest seem to be clown shoes
Z
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yea, they never have risen rates
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08-09-2017, 12:49 AM
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#82
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Just another Facist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Now in Houston
Posts: 52,793
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaf
Basically 99% of my play now is at NYRA. They get it and run a first class operation. The rest seem to be clown shoes
Z
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Friggin foot Doc. "clown shoes"
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08-09-2017, 01:10 AM
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#83
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Bombardier
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,039
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thespaah
I received an email from the HANA site explaining their disappointment over the increases.
This is a sharp increase in what is essentially a tax on the front end of the wager.
At this particular juncture of the history of horse racing, raising the cost to play the game is not in the best interests of anyone.
I believe this increase will adversely affect handle. Starting with the Keeneland Fall meet of 2017.
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At this point in the demise of racing it is hard to isolate whether a decline is just a continuation of the ongoing decline or whether it is tied to an increase in takeout. The folks who post here at PA and other sites are much more sophisticated than the average bettor in my opinion, but represent a very small percentage of the betting public. Regardless, the increase doesn't help.
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08-09-2017, 01:12 AM
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#84
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 28,554
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaf
Basically 99% of my play now is at NYRA. They get it and run a first class operation. The rest seem to be clown shoes
Z
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It's mid-August...and, so far, this year's NYRA season has been one of the worst in the country, IMO. They might be a "first-class operation"...but they sure are putting out a "third-rate product" this year. And, if memory serves...their product LAST year sucked as well. Hardly what we expected after the stratospheric rise of the NYRA purses.
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Last edited by thaskalos; 08-09-2017 at 01:18 AM.
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08-09-2017, 01:13 AM
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#85
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Missouri
Posts: 2,190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
This is the consequence of failure to boycott Ca over the jackpot bet follies and the late announced gelding scandals. Ca was an easy jurisdiction to make a statement but HANA never stepped up.
It's all right here and there were multiple times before this that they should have stepped up.
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...boycott&page=2
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I always boycott CA. I haven't made one bet @Del Mar. Last time I made a bet there was the BC.
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08-09-2017, 06:17 AM
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#86
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Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 314
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
It has already been happening. It may not be a boycott, but bettors are leaving and have been for years.
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Then it has no relation to the boycott I was talking about.
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08-09-2017, 06:31 AM
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#87
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Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 314
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith
Probably the same reason a nationwide boycott of smack use to protest prices would never fly.
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Thanks. I didnt think it was necessary to spell it out.
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08-09-2017, 07:47 AM
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#88
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Boston+Ocala
Posts: 23,760
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thaskalos
It's mid-August...and, so far, this year's NYRA season has been one of the worst in the country, IMO. They might be a "first-class operation"...but they sure are putting out a "third-rate product" this year. And, if memory serves...their product LAST year sucked as well. Hardly what we expected after the stratospheric rise of the NYRA purses.
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rising purses have nothing to do with good racing, if anything it hurts the product.
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08-09-2017, 08:47 AM
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#89
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Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 314
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lamboguy
rising purses have nothing to do with good racing, if anything it hurts the product.
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How does it hurt the product? I can see how it may hurt the bettors as it leads to higher takeout but cant see how it hurts the actual races being run which is the "product" we are betting on.
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08-09-2017, 09:28 AM
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#90
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 660
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The problem with raising purses is none of the raise in purses goes to the owners
Most of the raise goes to the breeding barons who own the studs. These breeding barons will raise their stud fees as soon as the purses go up
What you then end up with is higher yearling prices which means more expensive racehorses which means an ever smaller percentage of the population can afford to buy a horse. Which means less owners and less interest in the races etc etc
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