For Sale: Black Magic

[dirty moose]

I have cleared this with PA himself.

What I have here is the Black Magic software by Michael Pizzolla. Most of you guys know what it is and what is does and all that jazz. Truth is the software is awesome, sad truth is; I suck.

Package comes with the monthly DVDs that Michael personally does. There are 29 of those DVD's in total. There is also a seminar worth of DVDs and the introduction DVDs.

Everything that came with it, I still have, all original. I paid $1500 for in little more than a year ago. I'm not sure what it is worth on the open market, I'd say half of its original cost? Whatever it is, it's negotiable.

PM me with any questions.

Matt

[stikapos]

Originally Posted by dirty moose

I have cleared this with PA himself.

What I have here is the Black Magic software by Michael Pizzolla. Most of you guys know what it is and what is does and all that jazz. Truth is the software is awesome, sad truth is; I suck.

Package comes with the monthly DVDs that Michael personally does. There are 29 of those DVD's in total. There is also a seminar worth of DVDs and the introduction DVDs.

Everything that came with it, I still have, all original. I paid $1500 for in little more than a year ago. I'm not sure what it is worth on the open market, I'd say half of its original cost? Whatever it is, it's negotiable.

PM me with any questions.

Matt,
Matt

is this still open, i.e. do you still have ? I'd be happy to discuss with you. Please PM me.
thanks,
tim

[JustCoolGene]

I Have The Complete Black Magic Software For Sale Containing:

1. Original installation disk and security dongal
2. Black Magic Intensive Series (9 DVD's)
3. Black Magic Wizards' Forum Inner Secrets, Series 1 (12 DVD's)
4. Black Magic Wizards' Forum Inner Secrets, Series 2 (12 DVD's)
5. Black Magic Wizards' Forum Inner Secrets, Series 3 (12 DVD's)

The Installation Disk, Intensive DVD's, and Dongal are in the Original Black Magic DVD Leather Case.

The three Black Magic Wizards' Forum Inner Secrets Series (36 DVD's) are in a very nice quality case.

PM me if interested,
Gene

[thistledown]

hey, i am willing to pay 500.00 for the software if you are willing to sell it for 500.00? if interested let me know and i will send you my email address and we can work out a deal with payment.

[thaskalos]

I don't know anything about the software package...but the advertising copy sure sounds familiar.

http://posttimedaily.com/black-magic...pper-software/

[Partsnut]

Today 02:22 AM
thaskalos I don't know anything about the software package...but the advertising copy sure sounds familiar.
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I haven't looked at Pizzolla site yet nor would I care too but from what I understand they are coming out with a new offering that will superceed Black Magic.
Why would I not expect this. Of course, this years version of a better mousetrap.
Merry Christmas.

[JustCoolGene]

To all members of Pace Advantage who were interested in my copy of Black Magic Software. I am sorry but the software package has already been sold and delivered.

Gene

[raybo]

Originally Posted by Partsnut

Today 02:22 AM
thaskalos I don't know anything about the software package...but the advertising copy sure sounds familiar.
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I haven't looked at Pizzolla site yet nor would I care too but from what I understand they are coming out with a new offering that will superceed Black Magic.
Why would I not expect this. Of course, this years version of a better mousetrap.
Merry Christmas.

Yeah, in the last of his "Rants" that I watched he told people to not buy Black Magic, but to wait until "Value Capper" is released. Too bad the software isn't free, like several others, and all you pay for are the data files.

[JJMartin]

Why does everyone end up selling it I wonder?

[Appy]

Originally Posted by JJMartin

Why does everyone end up selling it I wonder?

Perhaps some just aren't cut out for contrarian point of view.
Or maybe because some are aware of his new software coming out and want to shuck BM in preference for the latest and greatest.
One thing is sure, not "everyone" is selling it. One of the most successful cappers/players I know was one of the first to jump on the BM wagon and there is no way you could shove him off.

[raybo]

Originally Posted by Appy

Perhaps some just aren't cut out for contrarian point of view.
Or maybe because some are aware of his new software coming out and want to shuck BM in preference for the latest and greatest.
One thing is sure, not "everyone" is selling it. One of the most successful cappers/players I know was one of the first to jump on the BM wagon and there is no way you could shove him off.

From watching his "rants", it appears that the learning curve is pretty steep. And, there is a lot of subjective decision making that is required. Michael often requires a premium over and above the program's oddsline, and he passes a lot of races. Most players would be unwilling, or unable to do all those things, or play that way.

[Appy]

"From watching his "rants", it appears that the learning curve is pretty steep. And, there is a lot of subjective decision making that is required. Michael often requires a premium over and above the program's oddsline, and he passes a lot of races. Most players would be unwilling, or unable to do all those things, or play that way."

I should probably point out I am not a BM user, but I do find value in and use a number of Pizzolla's ideas in my own practice.
For one, I firmly believe passing a lot of races is key to being a profitable player, and is part of another thing I believe in, which is specialization.
I do NOT believe in blind faith, and that would include using any program as a selection "black box". Therefore I know of no handicapping system or ideology that would not require at least a certain amount of subjective decision making.
As for the emboldened portion, all I can say is "exactly", then add that I think it is fair to say most players are not overall winners and/or belong to the group subscribing to the notion that .01 or .02 ROI is the best you can hope for over the long run. Could it be that enduring a long learning curve is just the cure for what ails them?

[NorCalGreg]

Originally Posted by JJMartin

Why does everyone end up selling it I wonder?

Remember that poll someone had up here, awhile back, asking which software was popular with board members?

I recall Black Magic was one of the leading vote-getters, if not the top. There's more than a few using it here.

But $1500 brand spankin'....that's a BR, right there, including tools.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Appy

"From watching his "rants", it appears that the learning curve is pretty steep. And, there is a lot of subjective decision making that is required. Michael often requires a premium over and above the program's oddsline, and he passes a lot of races. Most players would be unwilling, or unable to do all those things, or play that way."

I should probably point out I am not a BM user, but I do find value in and use a number of Pizzolla's ideas in my own practice.
For one, I firmly believe passing a lot of races is key to being a profitable player, and is part of another thing I believe in, which is specialization.
I do NOT believe in blind faith, and that would include using any program as a selection "black box". Therefore I know of no handicapping system or ideology that would not require at least a certain amount of subjective decision making.
As for the emboldened portion, all I can say is "exactly", then add that I think it is fair to say most players are not overall winners and/or belong to the group subscribing to the notion that .01 or .02 ROI is the best you can hope for over the long run. Could it be that enduring a long learning curve is just the cure for what ails them?

I am curious to know your opinion on what long-term ROI the "advanced, disciplined player" could hope for, Appy.

[NorCalGreg]

"As for the emboldened portion, all I can say is "exactly", then add that I think it is fair to say most players are not overall winners and/or belong to the group subscribing to the notion that .01 or .02 ROI is the best you can hope for over the long run. Could it be that enduring a long learning curve is just the cure for what ails them?

Well yes, Appy....for a losing/breaking even player (and who breaks even when you factor in all the associated costs?) the best thing for him, might be a long break--stop betting, take the time to learn a new methodology. Start fresh and see the world of horse betting in a new light, with a new passion. Who hasn't felt themselves getting stale, running out of ideas, returning to the same old grind. I have, I know Raybo has mentioned this, as have several others.

Let me stop now, before I talk myself into sending my own check to Mike Pizzola.