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Old 02-24-2020, 01:32 PM   #1
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and who says u shouldn't know what the odds will be in advance

on the contrary you always have to know!!!
here are examples of todays card

morning line on left
my projections are on the right
my projections will always outweigh the morning line by miles



Parx 4 ------ printer 9-2 ml---------------- 5-2---
Parx 6-----feduciary values 6-1ml-----------4-1----
Parx 7----- verrazano vittori 6-1ml -------- 7-2----
Parx 8----- phish fan 8-1ml --- --------------5-1-----
Parx 9 ---- teak 6-1 ml---------------------- 7-2----
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Old 02-24-2020, 05:57 PM   #2
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on the contrary you always have to know!!!
here are examples of todays card

morning line on left
my projections are on the right
my projections will always outweigh the morning line by miles

Parx 4 ------ printer 9-2 ml---------------- 5-2---
Parx 6-----feduciary values 6-1ml-----------4-1----
Parx 7----- verrazano vittori 6-1ml -------- 7-2----
Parx 8----- phish fan 8-1ml --- --------------5-1-----
Parx 9 ---- teak 6-1 ml---------------------- 7-2----
Your projections weren’t too far off
Parx 4 ------ printer 9-2 ml------------------5-2---------------Off @ 7/2----& Lost
Parx 6-----feduciary values 6-1ml----------4-1------------ ---Off @ 2/1---& Lost
Parx 7----- verrazano vittori 6-1ml --------7-2----------------Off @ 8/1 ---& Lost
Parx 8----- phish fan 8-1ml ----------------5-1-----------------Off @ 6/1---&-Lost
Parx 9 ---- teak 6-1 ml---------------------7-2-----------------Off @ 3/1----& Lost

The question is why were these selections chosen?

Personally I prefer to use Real Time odds and project the final odds beyond 4 mins to post by money flow recognition.
It’s not always perfect but good enough to determine a play or not.
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Old 02-24-2020, 07:55 PM   #3
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Your projections weren’t too far off
Parx 4 ------ printer 9-2 ml------------------5-2---------------Off @ 7/2----& Lost
Parx 6-----feduciary values 6-1ml----------4-1------------ ---Off @ 2/1---& Lost
Parx 7----- verrazano vittori 6-1ml --------7-2----------------Off @ 8/1 ---& Lost
Parx 8----- phish fan 8-1ml ----------------5-1-----------------Off @ 6/1---&-Lost
Parx 9 ---- teak 6-1 ml---------------------7-2-----------------Off @ 3/1----& Lost

The question is why were these selections chosen?

Personally I prefer to use Real Time odds and project the final odds beyond 4 mins to post by money flow recognition.
It’s not always perfect but good enough to determine a play or not.



they were chosen so u could see (who ) are usually
the "track take" horses and how u could gain an advantage
to the race itself .

if u believe in the horse or not is up to each individual
player and it will all depend on experience . personally i never wait
to get a bet down on race day .

because 95 percent of the time i use the projections to tell me where the value is on the other horses
most of the time my simulations mirror what the horse is before they enter the gate, some obviously get away on me but that is life.

where i am almost sure of is the positioning of the selections whether they
be first second or third favourites even if the ml odds are high
in relation to the others

so what i do is project how i will bet the race according to that once single selection because it will dictate how the board moves for the other
selections according to my simulations

don't waste my time being in front of the computer all day
and can comfortably bet with confidence knowing the projected odds

like i said , the computer generated bots beat me after the gate
sometimes but i don't worry about that because my simulations
are always correct and the bot players can't beat the simulated edge because they
are wrong at least 70 percent of the time anyway !!!

it is just to show that most days there are at least
8 to 10 selections per day that show this kind of downward movement
and anticipating that gives every player a huge edge if they have done their
homework

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Old 02-24-2020, 08:04 PM   #4
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Yea'but

You went 0'fr.
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Old 02-24-2020, 08:16 PM   #5
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You went 0'fr.
thats only if they were suppose to be selections!!

but they were only projections

the rest is your job
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thats only if they were suppose to be selections!!

but they were only projections

the rest is your job
Got it. I have a mental system that's similar. I look for horses that I speculate (poorly) are underbet and try to catch them 2nd or 3rd for get-out money. Occasionally I'm lucky in the exacta or win spot at big numbers.

From my two weeks ago memory, from 275 bets, I had 37 winning tickets. That's all in, everything, place , show, doubles, so forth. I cashed 37 tickets from 275ish. No idea what that is or if it is anything.
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Old 02-25-2020, 12:41 PM   #7
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Tuesday feb25 projections

Park

Morning line on left
My line on right


2– always free 6-1——3-1

4– bills mafia 20-1——-12-1

5— uncle mann. 6-1——3-1

7– finishing school 5-1—-5-2 could go chalk here



Check them against ur picks
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4– bills mafia 20-1——-12-1

Check them against ur picks

#7 Daddy's Placer ML 20-1, My fair line 14-1, off odds 25-1+, and I'll take the 10 pounds that he's coming at the 4 (8/5) and gets close enough to hit the tote at big #.
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Morning line on left
My line on right


2– always free 6-1——3-1

4– bills mafia 20-1——-12-1

5— uncle mann. 6-1——3-1

7– finishing school 5-1—-5-2 could go chalk here



Check them against ur picks
I think you should resist using the morning line as a comparative tool for your odds analysis. The morning lines on the main contenders are horribly inflated...causing the vast majority of the top contenders to look as if they are getting "overbet". Look at the 2nd at Fairgrounds, as an example. Only an idiot would think that the Kingpin would go off at his 5/2 morning line.
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thats only if they were suppose to be selections!!

but they were only projections

the rest is your job
Your projections were pretty mediocre, but what is the point of posting them at all if you're not telling us how you use them? Are these horses you are looking to bet or avoid? Anyone could post random guesses and say "use them however you want".
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I think you should resist using the morning line as a comparative tool for your odds analysis. The morning lines on the main contenders are horribly inflated...causing the vast majority of the top contenders to look as if they are getting "overbet". Look at the 2nd at Fairgrounds, as an example. Only an idiot would think that the Kingpin would go off at his 5/2 morning line.
Why bother with the ML when nowadays we can't even count on the ACTUAL odds in the last minutes of betting, or more?
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Why bother with the ML when nowadays we can't even count on the ACTUAL odds in the last minutes of betting, or more?
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